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jinju
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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I have no sympathy for these terrorists, their female relatives..or muslims. Nobody needs that much fertilizer unless they are farmers. Were these guys farmers? As far as I know, fertilizer has two uses. farming and making bombs to blow up stuff. Since they werent farmers we can correctly assume that they were going to use it to blow up stuff in the name of their child molesting, murdering pirate of a "prophet" Muhammad and their sicko eligion. Screw them. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not sure I fully understand where you're coming from Jinju... care to clarify?
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Uranus
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:50 am Post subject: |
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Islamist terrorists are to Islam as the KKK is to the Christian Church and or white people. White people are pretty harsh to the KKK. Thats how the Muslims need to be toward the Islamists. Are they though?
To the OP - Is Canada a Racist Hellhole? Well maybe not a racist hellhole. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:54 am Post subject: |
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To the OP - Is Canada a Racist Hellhole? Well maybe not a racist hellhole. |
I assume my italicization has clarified the intended stress of your sentence. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Uranus
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:39 am Post subject: |
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To the OP - Is Canada a Racist Hellhole? Well maybe not a racist hellhole.
I assume my italicization has clarified the intended stress of your sentence. |
Yes, that is my message. |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:04 am Post subject: |
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You're all familiar with Reverend Phelps, right? The anti-gay crusader who pisses off even conservative rednecks by burning Old Glory and harrasing mourners at military funerals. I think the people at that London demo are roughly the Muslim equivalent of him.
No doubt, but I'm wondering how that fits into Fisk's attitude towards the Cdn media in the OP. I'm beginning to understand the term 'Fisked'... |
It doesn't really fit in with Fisk's point. Just a bit of thread drift, since you posted the photos. |
True enough, I did that a few times in this thread (i.e. "What would Fisk say?"). |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:37 am Post subject: |
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Until the Islamic community stands up as a whole and denounces any and all acts of terrorism that religion will be on a very slippery slope indeed. The problem is relatively few fanatics can do a lot of damage to the religion in a very short period of time.
Also the moderates are also in fear of these fanatics and are hesitant/reluctant to speak out against them! |
They do denounce terrorism. |
Not AS A WHOLE they don't, there is still a minority that favour terrorist tactics. When you look at the total amount of Muslims worldwide, this minority is pretty small, but sadly that's all it takes to do a lot of damage. |
Come on. Holding up the majority of muslims responsible for the crimes of a minority is simply unjust and illogical. Maybe we should be suspicious of white Americans because a minority of them favour terrorism. Remember McVeigh and Kaczinsky, et al? What about all the serial killers? Lots of white faces there, too. |
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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:39 am Post subject: |
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Also the moderates are also in fear of these fanatics and are hesitant/reluctant to speak out against them! |
What exactly is a moderate Muslim? Is it simply a Muslim not involved in terrorism? |
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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Holding up the majority of muslims responsible for the crimes of a minority is simply unjust and illogical. |
Not when opinion polls consistently show a rather large proportion of Muslims support the goals of the terrorists, and not while Muslim clerics in mosques continue to spew hatred. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Holding up the majority of muslims responsible for the crimes of a minority is simply unjust and illogical.
Not when opinion polls consistently show a rather large proportion of Muslims support the goals of the terrorists, and not while Muslim clerics in mosques continue to spew hatred. |
That's a rather interestingly worded passage there. A large proportion of Muslims support the GOALS of the terrorists.
It's probably the case that a large proportion of environmentalists support the goals of the Unabomber, a large proportion of Catholics supported the anti-abortion bombers, and a large proportion of French-speaking Quebeckers supported the goals of the FLQ. But the goals of these people and organizations were not in and of themselves the problem; the problem is the methods.
If you wanna play the game where you discredit an entire group because many of them happen to hold the same opinion as some terrorists, go right ahead. But be forewarned that that game can pretty much be played with any group. |
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The Man known as The Man

Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Quebec certainly is-Anti-Semitic for generations now. |
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Grotto

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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:33 am Post subject: |
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Remember McVeigh and Kaczinsky, et al? What about all the serial killers? Lots of white faces there, too. |
You also dont see people celebrating in the streets about thier heroic act of killing thousands of innocent people do you? By the way McVeigh and Kaczinsky are NOT an identifiable ethnic group!
Media is a powerful thing! When you have ANY identifiable ethnic group celebrating publicly on international TV after a terrorist act then there are going to be backlash against that group. Is it fair? Nope! Its reality! When you have an identifiable ethnic group step forward and take credit for a terrorist act then there are repercussions.
Suicide bombers families in Palestine are given cash ?rewards? for the murders their children did. Thats not right on any level!
Islamic terrorists routinely take refuge in mosques and the clerics let them and claim they are under the protection of 'allah' and therefore sancrosinct! If the military goes in after them then its a crime against all muslims You cant have it both ways people! If members of your congregation are terrorists and you know and protect them, then you are also a terrorist as well! |
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bigverne

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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:41 am Post subject: |
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But the goals of these people and organizations were not in and of themselves the problem; the problem is the methods. |
Do you hold the same opinion of Muslim terrorist organisations? That their goals are not the problem, just their methods? I suppose the goals of far right racists aren't really the problem, it's just the skinhead violence perpetrated by a minority of its followers. The rest are probably harmless 'moderates'. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:30 am Post subject: |
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But the goals of these people and organizations were not in and of themselves the problem; the problem is the methods.
Do you hold the same opinion of Muslim terrorist organisations? That their goals are not the problem, just their methods? |
It depends. In some cases, I myself would probably agree with the goals of the terrorist organization. For example, I favor a complete and immediate withdrawal from Iraq. So does Al Qaeda in Iraq, as far as I know. And no, I don't consider myself any sort of a threat to the public welfare simply because AQ happens to share my view on that particular issue.
Now, if the terrorists are blowing up busses in Paris in order to make western countries become Islamic theocracies, then I disagree with the goal AND the methods. But I would be opposed to the bombing of busses, even if the only agenda was getting the foreign troops out of Iraq.
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I suppose the goals of far right racists aren't really the problem, it's just the skinhead violence perpetrated by a minority of its followers. The rest are probably harmless 'moderates'. |
Dude, I come from a little place called Alberta, widely renowned as the redneck capital of Canada. I can't tell you the number of times I've heard some barstool pundit tell me that anyone wearing a "turban" should be shipped back to wherever he came from(and trust me, these guys aren't concerned about Muslim opposition to gay rights and feminism). Do I like these opinions? No. Do I think that they can do long-term damage to the social fabric of Canada if enough people start holding them? Probably. But do I think that some yahoo in a beer hall yelling about "pakis" and "chinks" deserves to be slated in the same category as a neo-nazi bomber who blows up mosques and synagogues? No. And I personally think it's illegitimate when left-wingers try to exaggerate the threat posed by the racist loud-mouths by pointing out that terroritsts share the same views. Just as it was illegitmate for the right wing to critique the 1970s anti-war movement by pointing out that it's goals were shared by the Weather Underground.
And Bigverne:
If I've understand your opinion on the matter, you are opposed to the Bush administration's plans to spread democracy throughout the middle east at gunpoint. Well, guess who else opposes those plans? Pretty much every Muslim tyrant and terrorist in the neighbourhood. So should we judge your opinions on that issue by the company you're keeping? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:53 am Post subject: |
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Remember McVeigh and Kaczinsky, et al? What about all the serial killers? Lots of white faces there, too. |
You also dont see people celebrating in the streets about thier heroic act of killing thousands of innocent people do you?
Suicide bombers families in Palestine are given cash ?rewards? for the murders their children did. Thats not right on any level!
Islamic terrorists routinely take refuge in mosques and the clerics let them and claim they are under the protection of 'allah' and therefore sancrosinct! If the military goes in after them then its a crime against all muslims You cant have it both ways people! If members of your congregation are terrorists and you know and protect them, then you are also a terrorist as well! |
Well sadly, people were celebrating in the streets of China on 9/11. No, it wasn't muslim chinese who were doing the celebrating.
Suicide bomber families are given money by terrorist groups that launched the attacks. They also received money from Saddam. Not exactly noble beings. You make it sound like they got money from the Palestinian gov't.
Take refuge in mosques? Uh source? But yes, they do store weapons and whatnot in Iraq. I don't believe they do it as much now because the US Army no longer puts up with that crap. Outside Iraq you're going to have to give me examples. The most famous incident of taking refuge was in fact in a church in Bethleham during the last intifada. |
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