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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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travellers get envious
tourists get jealous
to explain:
travellers qua travellers display envy, a desire to possess something not yours - life of a fulltime traveller
tourists qua tourists display jealousy, a righteous feeling that one deserves something - a holiday |
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HapKi
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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travellers wait for a week and a half and then desperately try and find an internet cafe, and send 20 e-mails to friends and family while updating their travelpod diary, all in while mindful of the 15 minute time increments in price.
tourists get on-line every night at the hotel and read LP Thorn Tree |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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travellers are more likely to buy stocks
tourists are more likely to buy bonds |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| trevorcollins wrote: |
| bosintang wrote: |
| Haha, good one, though the OP is a self-proclaimed tourist. |
I just think the whole comparison / labelling / superiority complex thing, whatever is a pile of crap and in a way goes against the entire essence of travelling.
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I think using labeling as a form of being self-righteous is ridiculous, but why not call a spade a spade, and if you feel you're more suited as a label under one ethos or another, call it that? That doesn't mean everyone who labels themselve a traveler is worldly, sophisticated, etc. and everyone who labels themselve a tourist is the opposite, or vice versa, or that one is inheritently "better" than the other. Its just calling it as it is. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| bosintang wrote: |
| Its just calling it as it is. |
Yeah, the word ain't the thing. There are TWO different types, often differentiated by the terms "tourist" and "traveller", but call them x and y if you want.
Labels themselves are not crucial, though they are helpful, for the most part useful. Neither term is negative, except to some in the other camp! |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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�What an odd thing tourism is. You fly off to a strange land, eagerly abandoning all the comforts of home, and then expend vast quantities of time and money in a largely futile attempt to recapture the comforts that you wouldn't have lost if you hadn't left home in the first place.�
Bill Bryson |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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"Like all great travelers, I have seen more than I remember, and remember more than I have seen."
Benjamin Disraeli |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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�Tourists don't know where they've been, travelers don't know where they're going.�
- Paul Theroux |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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anti-traveller: "Travel is the frivolous part of serious lives, and the serious part of frivolous ones." -- Anne Sophie Swetchine
anti-tourist: "If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion and avoid the people, you might better stay at home." -- James Michener |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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A certain kind of tourist loves seeing signs of their own culture. ("Look Jim! They have a Burger King here, lets take a picture!")
A certain kind of traveler hates seeing signs of their own culture. ("They have a Holiday Inn in Saigon now?? Oh man, I'm not going there!") |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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travellers often think tourists end up in a fish bowl
tourists often think travellers end up in a dirt hole |
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trevorcollins
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| bosintang wrote: |
| Its just calling it as it is. |
Yeah, the word ain't the thing. There are TWO different types, often differentiated by the terms "tourist" and "traveller", but call them x and y if you want. |
Oh come on...you're the most politically correct guy on this board and you're trying to lump everyone on the road you meet into black and white.
Surely you know that's absolute rubbish. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| trevorcollins wrote: |
...you're trying to lump everyone on the road you meet into black and white.
Surely you know that's absolute rubbish. |
This is not about labelling people, it's about discerning a pre-existing difference of perspective. There is a very real difference. (Even if not everybody is a good example of it. Let's say it's opposite ends of a continuum.) What we do about that, and how we treat each other, is another matter.
This is like talking about the differences between liberals and conservatives. Nothing more insidious than that. |
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trevorcollins
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| trevorcollins wrote: |
Oh come on...you're the most politically correct guy on this board and you're trying to lump everyone on the road you meet into black and white.
Surely you know that's absolute rubbish. |
Have you taken a sociology course? K, then don't be so thick!
This is not about labelling people, it's about discerning a pre-existing difference of perspective. There is a very real difference. (Even if not everybody is a good example of it. Let's say it's opposite ends of a continuum.) What we do about that, and how we treat each other, is another matter. |
Okay, calm down pal...becoming insulting does nothing beyond weakening your own case and making you come across as infantile. I'm sorry but that's just the way it is.
For what it's worth one of my majors from my Bachelor's degree is in Sociology, and you know what....sociology in no way explains what you're trying to say. Again...sorry...but like someone else said...a spade is a spade, a fact is a fact and what you're arguing is wrong. I'm not saying you can't say it, but you've spent 6 odd pages arguing why one is different to the other yet seem to have no actual experience to base this on...I may be wrong, and if I am I apologise, but right now it all just sounds to me like some kind of ignorant attacks directed at people you seem to think you're better than. I saw some different thread where some guy wrote something you didn't like and you replied "Spoken like a true tourist" so don't try and claim you're not applying negative connotations to one group (if it even exists).
Are you basing this all on actual life experience or just something you read / perceptions you've developed in your head...?
Sorry if I'm coming across as crochetty, blame it on the altitude / lack of alcohol or me just being an asshole if you want, lol. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| trevorcollins wrote: |
| ..attacks directed at people you seem to think you're better than. |
90% of the contrasts I've made carry no attitude. It's the VAST negativity by some other posters that provoked a couple of one-sided contrasts. I righted the ship after that.
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| I saw some different thread where some guy wrote something you didn't like and you replied "Spoken like a true tourist". |
That was not negative, at least not in intention. Should have used a  Tone of voice is hard to convey here.
I don't have a chip on my shoulder about this, and there was a good natured rapport going on, even though a couple seemed a bit angered by the topic.
I'll let others pick up the thread from here if they want. |
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