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JLarter
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| With fans like that, it seems no wonder why England inspires such rabid denunciation |
If you don't complain to the ref at the time, then no bloody wonder the goal wasn't disallowed.
I wasn't blaming the player, merely pointing out the fact that the player didn't complain. |
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baldrick
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| As if the ref is gonna change his mind if someone complains. |
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jaganath69
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| HT, you neglect to tell the whole story, what about the fact that the T&T defender was not going for the ball and once it was off Crouch's head it looked like he was trying to rugby tackle him? You need to take a large dose of STFU and go back to your lair. Tw@t. |
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hermes.trismegistus
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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So because the defender - with an entire handful of his hair being pulled - couldn't make a play on the ball, it excuses Crouch's actions?
UK apologist blogs have been pretty unanimous: Crouch fouled the guy and the goal shouldn't have counted.
The foul doesn't really bother me as much as the hypocrisy. England touts themselves as such skillful and ethical players, but in the end, they can cheat and whine every bit as well as Holland or Argentina. Argentina, on the other hand, has the talent and skill to have gotten beyond that. England seems to rely on this unethical play in order to pull off a squeaker.
Whether you support the team or not, defending them when they behave poorly doesn't seem reasonable at all. This opinion has been stated elsewhere on WC England blogs. Check about and see how many of them defend Crouch's actions.
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JLarter
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| The result is all that matters |
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hermes.trismegistus
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:04 am Post subject: |
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| The result is all that matters |
AKA - "The end justifies the means."
This ignorant paradigm manifests itself all over the place, and results in some of the grossest oppressive ideologies and dichotomies the world has ever seen.
No ethical person would suggest such ignorance.
People that perpetuate such detritus absolutely disgust me. It makes it all the easier to disdain the English team knowing that fans have that opinion.
Namaste. |
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JLarter
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:14 am Post subject: |
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Ask any fan in the world if they would rather win a game by playing slightly unfair, or lose a game but play fair.
I think you will find that they would all go for the win.
I notice you fail to mention Argentina when talking about playing unfairly. Just go near those guys and they fall down. Also found to be prevalent in Italy, Holland, Portugal. |
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hermes.trismegistus
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:25 am Post subject: |
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Of course. Fans - 'fanatics' - rarely rely on logic. They are governed entirely by irrational dedication. Lunacy. Neurosis.
Argentina has a penchant for faking falls and whining. They also have a penchant for extreme skill; a bitter sweet pill that greatly reduces my enthusiasm for the team.
Holland and Italy also wail and flop, but then I haven't been praising them.
I'd rather lose and play a good game than win by spurious means. I readily say this because I base my support on reason rather than emotion.
Namaste. |
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JLarter
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| I'd rather lose and play a good game than win by spurious means |
Some people just aren't natural winners.
I on the other hand, believe winning is important. |
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hermes.trismegistus
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| I'd rather lose and play a good game than win by spurious means |
Some people just aren't natural winners.
I on the other hand, believe winning is important. |
Then you either have no idea what you have endorsed, or have a dubious system of ethics.
Ignorance perpetuates power-over paradigms and keeps us wallowing in the mud.
Namaste. |
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JLarter
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe if you played sport you would realise what it means to win. |
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hermes.trismegistus
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe if you played sport you would realise what it means to win. |
Uncritical inferences lose arguments with alarming regularity.
Maybe if you studied the social implications of competition-heavy paradigms, you'd realise what it means to progress without oppressing.
Namaste. |
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JLarter
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:45 am Post subject: |
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So you don't care about winning? The only thing you care about seems to be whining.
Do you have to use the word 'paradigms' in every post? |
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trigger123
Joined: 08 Sep 2004
Location: TALKING TO STRANGERS, IN A BETTER PLACE
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| hermes.trismegistus wrote: |
| JLarter wrote: |
| Maybe if you played sport you would realise what it means to win. |
Uncritical inferences lose arguments with alarming regularity.
Maybe if you studied the social implications of competition-heavy paradigms, you'd realise what it means to progress without oppressing.
Namaste. |
so you were the last kid to get picked at sports right? still hurts eh? |
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hermes.trismegistus
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:23 am Post subject: |
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So you don't care about winning? The only thing you care about seems to be whining.
Do you have to use the word 'paradigms' in every post? |
No, I don't place a premium on winning. Whining would be more akin to, "Woe is me." Instead, I'm pointing out objective flaws that have been discussed at length elsewhere.
Funny that even with the redundant reference to paradigms, you still haven't internalized the issue.
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| so you were the last kid to get picked at sports right? still hurts eh? |
Ahh, the joys of ad hominem. Always helpful when your position has a shaky basis, eh?
Namaste. |
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