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princess



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was lovely how the Koreans in the stands kept cheering DaeHan Minguk when France's player was down. Just lovely. I thought it was rude, and then they even cheered when a Korean player was down. hmmm
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Billy Pilgrim



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

princess wrote:
It was lovely how the Koreans in the stands kept cheering DaeHan Minguk when France's player was down. Just lovely. I thought it was rude, and then they even cheered when a Korean player was down. hmmm


Shocked

The mark of all soccer crowds - the hushed silence during an injury.

Come again?
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jaganath69



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

princess wrote:
It was lovely how the Koreans in the stands kept cheering DaeHan Minguk when France's player was down. Just lovely. I thought it was rude, and then they even cheered when a Korean player was down. hmmm


Eminently more civilized that Liverpool fans rocking Alan Smith's ambulance after breaking his leg in the cup tie against Man Utd and screaming 'Munich b@stard'. Give it a rest love, screaming abuse at an injured member of a rival team is part of the joy of football.
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This whole they were lucky crap is getting old.


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Their lucky crap is getting old.


Fixed that for you Homer.
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fruitcake



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
Luck played a part...but so did France not capitalizing on numerous scoring chances...and the Korean goalie saving the draw vs Henry in the dying minutes.

France shot its bolt in the first half, ran out of gas and the fittest team was able to claw back in the game. Kudos to them for hanging tough.

The goal-no goal call was understandable...there is no video replay in Football so to rule a goal in the ref had to had indisputable evidence it was a goal. At the speed it happened and with the fact that no French player or coach complained on the spot...it is understandable the ref did not rule it a goal.

As for Koreas goal, it was far from shoddy...it was a great header in front of the goal where Park was placed and redirected the ball in with his foot...nothing wrong with that goal.

France blew several scoring chances, Korea hung in there and took it to France in the second half when the frenchmen ran out of gas....and Zidane was basically invisible....

draw.

This whole they were lucky crap is getting old.

Was Ghana lucky vs the Czeks? What about Japan vs Croatia (0-0), Trinidad and Tobago who also forced a draw vs a better team in their opener....wait..only Korea gets lucky...others just upset better teams... Laughing


Ghana outplayed the Czeks..period. Amazing game. And France outplayed Korea last night. France's inability to put that game away was ridiculous.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ghana example was a bad one as they did outplay the czeks...my bad.

France outplayed Korea in the first half, then, ran out of gas in the second half. Thats not luck, thats fitness.

They (France) failed to put the game away on numerous occasions. Thats not luck, thats lack of killer instinct and finishing.

Korea scored a goal at the 82nd minute, thats not luck, thats sheer determination on their part as they kept running in and France's players were out of gas.

and Guri Guy no thanks for your "fix" I stand by my statement dude...give teams who stick in there and work hard their due and stop whining like a little girl that it was luck or that the match was fixed.

When Australia put 3 goals in in the last 6 minutes vs Japan that was an upset, no one said the Soccaroos got lucky...what they did is take full advantage of a team that broke down.

Korea took advantage of a tired team in the second half to create chances. How is that luck?

If you are talking about the goal no goal for France the best hint you can get about that is that niether the French players or coach contested the save at the time, nor was it mentioned in after-game press conferences.

Just so you are sure: Raymond DOMENECH (FRA)
(After game comments)
I�m disappointed with the result because we played some high-quality football and gave it our all. The team struggled in the second half but, having said that, we weren�t in any real danger until the move leading up to the goal. We decided to be adventurous right from the word go, but it was a very physical game and that takes it toll. I chose not to change our tactical set-up because that would have been a very risky move. I�m very pleased with all the players; they all did what they had to do, although we had problems dealing with high balls.


Also from a game analyst:

This was a very interesting match because the French are very technically gifted, while the Koreans are in outstanding physical condition. They are a very durable team. That is why we were able to enjoy such an entertaining game, one which was really worth watching.
France were the better side in the first half and they deserved their lead. That said, it is worth highlighting the way Dick Advocaat changed his tactics. By deploying an extra forward he was able to help his side turn the game on its head.

From that point on, Korea were able to stifle their opponent�s attacks and gradually increase the pressure until the equaliser eventually came from a well-worked set-piece move. Park Ji-Sung�s contribution was particularly important, as it was his goal that capped his team�s fightback.

At the end of the day it was a fair result because both sides each controlled one half of the game. We will obviously have to wait and see how the two sides perform in their final group match, with a place in the next round at stake.

There you have it.

As for this:

What it's getting is deja vu-ish. Anyone else starting to get some serious 2002 flashbacks from this "could've, would've, should've" post-match commentary after each win by Korea, the Little Team That Shouldn't've?

It is that way because some here a hell bent on blaming the refs, luck, bad calls, or whatever else they can think of for each win by Korea. In 2002, the refs did a bad job in a few games but that has been part and parcel of the World Cup.

This game was not decided by luck. The Korean team tied it up on sheer effort. This whole was it a goal debate will go on here because some are obsessed at finding any excuse to discredit any win. Had Korea won 2-0 they would most likely have said it was because the French gave them the game.

There is no shouldn't've here...its football, France got tired, Korea pushed them and scored to earn a draw, deal with it.

The US managed to squeak away with a draw vs the Italians without scoring a goal (Italy scored in its own net) no one has said the US is a team that shouldn't've...thats football...

Japan drew with Croatia...

Croatia outplayed them for big parts of the game and even blew a penalty shot as well as hit the cross bar...thats football.

Just enjoy the games and stop pissing all over a team because you have issues with the country.

Finally, having read up on the match in the French papers no one mentions the goal-no goal...all the papers talk about the fact that France slowed down after the 60th minute and that Korea tied it through effort.
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who is whining like a little girl Homer?

I think the oh so endearing Korean soccer cheerleaders need to open your eyes. Korea has been lucky. They were dreadful against France and were lucky to get the draw. They weren't brilliant against Togo either. They keep playing with fire and sooner or later they are going to get burnt.

I stopped cheering for Korea after the 2002 World Cup. I cheered for Korea and Japan as they were the underdogs. However several things have made me change my mind.

Koreans aren't really soccer fans. They are Korea fans. They give abysmal support to their Professional soccer league (which is quite good by the way) and only give a d*mn about Daehanminguk. If they truly cared about soccer they'd be supporting it better.
Ever notice the attendance for the 2002 World Cup? Every Korea game sold out and any game with Korea not in it didn't. Once again, besides the national team there is little interest.
Korean hypernationalism and their continuing effort to get world recognition are behind this. ie Please someone notice us!

Finally do you know why Guus Hiddink didn't resign with Korea after 2002? He was going to with a hefty raise until his wife stepped in. You see, his wife is Black South African, She told a Dutch reporter, "We're not staying here. Korea are the most racist ******s on earth." Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Portraying Togo players as monkeys isn't too classy either.

Anyway, get out your pom poms and cheer for Daehanminguk Homer. If they can beat the Swiss and advance, good luck to them. They're gonna need it. Wink


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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was the most retarded display I have ever seen in any professional sport.

Korea are so bad it makes me sick. They couldn't even get a shot on the French for the first 80 minutes, and the French sat on their one goal lead like it was the Maginot Line.

Korea are deadly boring to watch. They had two shots on net in the entire game and scored on one of them.

In the words of the Guardian, "An astounding end to a largely appalling match."

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This game looks to be ensconced in a pattern of Korean possession, Korean toothlessness, and occasional rapid French breaks around that big bottler Henry.


http://football.guardian.co.uk/worldcup2006/minbymin/0,,1788334,00.html
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Billy Pilgrim



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pyongshin Sangja wrote:

Korea are so bad it makes me sick.


My advice: don't watch them.
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Billy Pilgrim



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guri Guy wrote:
Who is whining like a little girl Homer?


Well, with your post, we may have a new leader in the race to unmask the culprit.

I can't imagine the motivation of spending so much effort lambasting something you dislike so much in an anonymous forum where people are just going to write you off like I am right now. Go away, do something you like doing, indulge yourself. Spare us your psychotherapy.
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh, nuts to you. I love the World Cup and have been watching it faithfully for 20 years. Ah, the glory days when Canada was in the World Cup in '86. Wink I was actually was in Denmark at the time and they are really cool fans. We had a lot of fun but unfortunately they got smashed in the round of 16 by Spain 5-1 after going 3-0 in the opening round. Sad
I enjoy watching anyone play unlike the vast majority in this country..
If Korea wins they win. I just won't be cheering for them this time that's all. Meh...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh well...
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guri Guy wrote:
Finally do you know why Guus Hiddink didn't resign with Korea after 2002? He was going to with a hefty raise until his wife stepped in. You see, his wife is Black South African, She told a Dutch reporter, "We're not staying here. Korea are the most racist ******s on earth." Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Wink



Do you have any news links to this incident?
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jurassic5



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

korea played like crap...but still managed to get the tie. that's soccer/football. you can outshoot your opponent 300-1, but it doesn't matter if if none go in the net.


korea's gotta step up their D and midfield play against the swiss. they gotta stop letting their opponents get so much space.

then again..what i do i know...i'm american...i don't know soccer....
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Hollywoodaction



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
Luck played a part...but so did France not capitalizing on numerous scoring chances...and the Korean goalie saving the draw vs Henry in the dying minutes.

France shot its bolt in the first half, ran out of gas and the fittest team was able to claw back in the game. Kudos to them for hanging tough.

The goal-no goal call was understandable...there is no video replay in Football so to rule a goal in the ref had to had indisputable evidence it was a goal. At the speed it happened and with the fact that no French player or coach complained on the spot...it is understandable the ref did not rule it a goal.

As for Koreas goal, it was far from shoddy...it was a great header in front of the goal where Park was placed and redirected the ball in with his foot...nothing wrong with that goal.

France blew several scoring chances, Korea hung in there and took it to France in the second half when the frenchmen ran out of gas....and Zidane was basically invisible....

draw.

This whole they were lucky crap is getting old.

Was Ghana lucky vs the Czeks? What about Japan vs Croatia (0-0), Trinidad and Tobago who also forced a draw vs a better team in their opener....wait..only Korea gets lucky...others just upset better teams... Laughing


France did not 'capitalize on numerous scoring chances'? So, you're basically saying that France didn't play well because they didn't score 6 goals? That doesn't seem like a very reasonable argument, does it?
Sorry, but why can't you understand that 2 to 1 is a winner?

Besides, France was nearly always in possession of the ball in the second half. It was so one-sided that the Korean broadcaster didn't display stats on possession of the ball, probably by fear of stating the obvious.

Imagine the outcome of the match if Korea's performance was not, once again, enhanced by a bad call in their favour. 2 to 1 for France. Given that Switzerland won pretty easily against Togo yesterday, Korea would have been out of the competition. France and Switzerland would have advanced to the next round.
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