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ilovebdt
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul
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Sir
Ma'am
Teacherrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Or My first name + teacher
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:04 am Post subject: |
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I had a class respond with 'Good morning Ma'am!!!' after the prefect had brought them to attention to bow.
I think they planned that one. |
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zappadelta
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| If it's the 5th-6th graders(students I teach), John 선생님. If it's kids I don't teach, 1st-4th graders, John 선생님 or 원어민 선생님. |
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Asthenia
Joined: 15 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| My last name is a little long and difficult (Russian-sounding), so instead of "Ms. Lastname," I go by "Ms. L". |
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I_Am_Wrong
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: whatever
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| SuperHero wrote: |
| I_Am_Wrong wrote: |
Mr. mo-mo-mo
If they're using your first name then you should insist that they say teacher after your name. You are there teacher, not their friend. In korean they say the first name and then 성생님 (teacher) because that is the respectful way. I teach English and in English it's rude to call your teacher by his/her first name. |
actually the bold is incorrect, they say the surname and then 선생님. So technically if your name is Brian Borgenstein, then they should be calling you Borgenstein 선생님. |
I think it can be either. For example, my co-teacher's name is Jang Yung-Jung and the students call her yung-jung songseingnim. It may be a thing that only she allows though? |
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Nok Yong
Joined: 05 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:15 am Post subject: |
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바보님
Mister 바보
바보, sir
I suppose it's better than 변태.  |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:02 am Post subject: |
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Mr. flotsam is right.
Kids are in class to learn English. In English it is polite to use a title with the family name. If you insist on it, they will comply with no emotional baggage.
Don't confuse the customs at home with the customs here. It is not 'friendly' for them to call you by your first name. It is not off-putting for them to call you by your family name. They don't know the difference.
Teach them the proper level of courtesy for someone several years older than them. It is part of why you are here. If they ever do meet someone outside of class, they will have automatically learned the proper form of address. That is one less stumbling block for them to deal with.
The one exception is if the name is EXTREMELY difficult to pronounce...and then I think I'd go with some pronunciation lessons.
One of the sillier and most meaningless topics here is: Back home I felt a distance from my uni prof because he wouldn't let us use his given name. |
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NearlyKorean
Joined: 15 Mar 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:53 am Post subject: Re: What do kids call you? |
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| Amari wrote: |
Hey again
Just a quick, rather trivial question: What do your students (kids, in a hagwon) call you? Miss/Mrs, your first name, or a korean title? Just wondering how to introduce myself!
Cheers, Amari |
His Royal Majesty, Lord and Master of All Teacher. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't confuse the customs at home with the customs here. It is not 'friendly' for them to call you by your first name. It is not off-putting for them to call you by your family name. They don't know the difference. |
If they don't know the difference then your arguement goes out the window!!!!
There is no hard and fast rule and I think the teacher should have the students address him or her, as he or she thinks appropriate given the type of school, grade level, their own comfort level and the school's policy/guidance.
We are not here to instruct in courtesy (however quaint that notion is), as you suggested. We are here to teach English and part of that is to role model the norms of our own culture. What I explained above are the norms of our own culture....depends on the situation.
We should teach them that -- if they meet others on the street, the form of address also differs (not as you suggest, same as the classroom) at times -- so we are teaching them that "addressing " and using titles is "fluid" and not written in stone. As it is in all cultures, some more, some less....
DD |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't confuse the customs at home with the customs here. It is not 'friendly' for them to call you by your first name. It is not off-putting for them to call you by your family name. They don't know the difference. |
If they don't know the difference then your arguement goes out the window!!!!
1. We are not here to instruct in courtesy (however quaint that notion is), as you suggested. 2.We are here to teach English and part of that is to role model the norms of our own culture. What I explained above are the norms of our own culture....3. depends on the situation. 4. We should teach them that -- if they meet others on the street, the form of address also differs (not as you suggest, same as the classroom) at times -- so we are teaching them that "addressing " and using titles is "fluid" and not written in stone. As it is in all cultures, some more, some less....
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1. I would say you are wrong: it is the responsibilty of all teachers to teach, and provide a role model for, courtesy, among other non-subject area knowledge and behavior.
2.What are the norms for addressing a teacher in every English-speaking culture?
3. This is content, you teach it through lecture and role-playing. It has nothing to do with the form of address used for the teacher as teacher. During the class we have to take on different roles to emulate different situations/actors in those situations and elicit the appropriate language usage, but if in today's lesson the kids were alternately calling you "Doctor ddeubel" or "Brother ddeubel" (NOI lesson), they shouldn't be carrying that over into the hallway and the teacher's office.
4. Of course. But still, the OP is about what students call us as teachers, not everything they may have to call everyone ever.
See what I'm saying, Brother ddeubel? |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Flotsam,
Please note I said, "instruct" in courtesy. That notion appropriately went out the window with Victorianism........although it has a brief reappearance every so often under the guise of "etiquette".
All the rest you said , is just a repeat of what I said. We role model and in the English speaking world, the form of address changes depending on the school, students, teachers, objectives, ethnic mix, administration etc.......... your use of brother and doctor just confuse what we are talking about....
My students call me Mr. D. I prefer that , as it still offers respect but at the same time , seems to lessen the difference between learner and teacher. It also satisfies a more conservative admin. But that is my environment, could be different elsewhere. I repeat, no fast and tight rule.
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| ddeubel wrote: |
Flotsam,
Please note I said, "instruct" in courtesy. That notion appropriately went out the window with Victorianism........although it has a brief reappearance every so often under the guise of "etiquette".
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Ahhh..you meant tea parties and which forks, gotcha.
And sure, sure: Mr. f sometimes--thought you were being more "they can call we whatever is in their fluid little minds" about the matter.
This all reminds me of an anecdote...I once worked with a guy who INSISTED that the kids could never get close to him if they didn't use his first name. The problem was, he was just such a cold, creepy, crap teacher(at a girls high school, no less) it didn't matter what the kids called him(my favorite nickname for him that a student came up with was "Sunburnt Albino Leprechaun"--I kept a straight face and told her not to do it in class, but then got caught laughing about it with some other teachers in the office later). Had an awful name too: John Johnson(ouch--what were his parents thinking?) and although I refrained, one of my younger female co-workers(who despised the guy for the way he treated the students)told some of the seniors all the more, subtle, applications of his name.
I disagreed with her doing it(she was leaving soon after and the seniors were about to graduate is how she rationalized it) but he was a brute and deserved it in a sense--you should have heard some of the whispers in the halls after that, ooof. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I am called by the Koreanization of my first name followed by teacher. An annoyance that I eventually get the students out of is that my one syllable name is broken into three syllables. Like fingernails on a chalkboard. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| rothkowitz wrote: |
After having my bag nicked by a student from my room when I popped out for 5 minutes-christ,only had 2.000 won but also my house key...why would anybody bother??
after this.........students don't call me anything.I am actively encouraging them to not approach teacher.Under any circumstances.Before that it was Mr--- |
This is very sad
One bad apple makes you act like that? |
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rothkowitz
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Just for the remainder of that day....I was fuming.
I had to get an extra lock put on my door as I've no idea where my key might be or where it might turn up.
It could happen anywhere though,any school or age.Some people see an opportunity,they take it. |
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