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Junior



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:
The USSR sent the US in a panic when an ICBM that the CIA knew nothing about was shown for the first time in parade in Moscow. The US spent millions of dollars developing a missile that would have a range as great as the estimated for the Russian missile. In the late 90's, one of the Russian aerospace engineers who worked on the missile said that it was his proudest professional achievement because he designed a sophisticated hydrolics systm that made the cardboard props appear as if they weighed tons. Laughing


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My guess is that the North koreans have faked their supposed nuclear weapons threat.
Dress up a few guys in white jackets, and invite the world media to film them dipping metal rods in water..and hey presto.We all know Koreans are the masters of appearances and brinkmanship.They could test-fly a kite over Pyongyang and the US would go onto red alert.

Similarly, Saddam was able to convey far greater military and WMD threat than he ever actually posed.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well it doesn't look like the legacy will be going on for a third generation so perhaps this is one of Kim's final hurrahs?


Might be good news that the next NK leader is spending time in Europe. As far as I know KJI has never been outside of NK, China or the former USSR. The fact that his son has been exposed to capitalist liberal democracies means he might have a more progressive attitude. Maybe even NK's version of Gorbachev.

Just kind of a glass half full kind of thinking, I don't really know much about him other than he's better travelled than his dad.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it is all well and good to get rid of all the nukes the world over...............that's why countries sign the nuclear non-proliferation agreement, right? Well , something is wrong because the world has only become more at risk and the signatorees (sp.) have only got rid of obsolete weaponry (for show) and increased their killing capacity many times over.......

Once again with N.Korea , the Americans are being two -faced. Testing missiles almost weekly (exact figures unknown because of "secrecy") while overstating the danger of N. Korea. D of E. in its capacity of maintaining American nuclear missles runs operational tests over a 4 year period on each type. 44 tests / type . That's a lot of testing and launches.....

Please visit this very clear assessment of the dilapidated and non functioning nature of N.Korea's missle testing facilities..........almost laughable. http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/nodong.htm

As Global Security says about the facility, Musudan-ri,

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It is fittingly paradoxical that tens of billions of dollars should have been spent, and a range of national policies reoriented (by the United States), on account of this distressing modest and underwhelming missile test facility. Commercial satellite imagery revealed the vaunted Musudan-ri test site as a facility barely worthy of note, consisting of the most minimal imaginable test infrastructure.


Another case of America trying to create a climate of crisis and fear and confrontation -- so it can play the supposed righteous one (while continuing its own nuclear missile testing).

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

U.S. Weighs Shootdown Of N. Korea Missile
By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer

WASHINGTON - If North Korea launches a long-range missile, as some U.S. officials say appears likely, then the Pentagon may get a first chance to use its unproven missile defenses against a real target.

Although the North Korean missile most likely would be launched for a flight test or to put a satellite in space, Bush administration officials are considering the possibility of shooting it down, since they cannot rule out in advance that the missile might be fired with hostile intent.



"The problem is that no one knows because North Korea doesn't say anything in advance of a test," said Rick Lehner, chief spokesman for the Pentagon's Missile Defense Agency. "So you have no idea what it is."

Lehner would not comment on possible use of the U.S. missile defense system, but two other defense officials said Tuesday that the administration is weighing responses to a missile test, including attempting to hit it in flight over the Pacific. The United States has 11 ground-based missile interceptors in Alaska and California, although it is not publicly known how many of the 11 are currently available for use in an emergency.

The two officials agreed to discuss the matter only on condition of anonymity because of its political sensitivity.

Although shooting down a North Korean missile is a possibility, the Pentagon also must consider factors that would argue against such a response, including the risk of shooting and missing and of escalating tensions further with Pyongyang.

The missile interceptors have a spotty record in controlled tests.

Robert Einhorn, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said a U.S. shootdown of a North Korean missile on a test flight or a space launch would draw "very strong international reaction" against the United States. He saw only a small chance that the U.S. would attempt a shootdown.

Signs of North Korean preparations to launch a long-range ballistic missile, possibly with sufficient range to reach U.S. territory, have grown in recent weeks, although it is unclear whether the missile has been fully fueled.

Bush administration officials have publicly and privately urged the North Koreans not to conduct the missile test, which would end a self-imposed moratorium in place since 1999. That ban was adopted after Japan and other nations expressed outrage over an August 1998 launch in which a North Korean missile overflew northern Japan.

At the time of the 1998 launch, the United States had no means of shooting down a long-range missile in flight. Since then the Pentagon has developed a rudimentary system that it says is capable of defending against a limited number of missiles in an emergency, with a North Korean attack particularly in mind.

The 1998 event turned out to be a space launch rather than a missile test; U.S. officials said the satellite failed to reach orbit.

U.S. and international concern about North Korea's missile capability is heightened by the fact that it claims to have developed nuclear weapons. It is not known whether they have mastered the complex art of building a nuclear warhead small enough to fit aboard a long-range missile, although in April 2005 the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, Vice Adm. Lowell Jacoby, told Congress that North Korea was capable of arming a missile with a nuclear warhead. U.S. officials have since called it a "theoretical capability."

Even if there were not attempt to shoot down a North Korean missile, it would be tracked by early warning satellites and radars, including radars based on ships near Japan and ground-based radars in Alaska and California.

David Wright, a senior scientist at the private Union of Concerned Scientists, said he strongly doubts that the Bush administration could back up its claims of having the capability to shoot down a North Korean missile.

"I consider it to be rhetorical posturing," Wright said. "It currently has no demonstrated capability."

The last time the Pentagon registered a successful test in intercepting a mock warhead in flight was in October 2002. Since then there have been three unsuccessful attempted intercepts, mostly recently in February 2005.
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JeJuJitsu



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/21/AR2006062101518.html

The call is out for the US to destroy the missle BEFORE it is launched, reasoning that the US is now within Nuke striking range of NK, and better not take chances, in case they do have nukes.

Damn, I hope this doesn't happen, or we are seriously going to get artillery-shelled into oblivion (ahem, sipping our latte's), as retaliation.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeJuJitsu wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/21/AR2006062101518.html

The call is out for the US to destroy the missle BEFORE it is launched, reasoning that the US is now within Nuke striking range of NK, and better not take chances, in case they do have nukes.

Damn, I hope this doesn't happen, or we are seriously going to get artillery-shelled into oblivion (ahem, sipping our latte's), as retaliation.


No we wouldnt. The Norks wouldnt dare. Not with atleast one nuke sub in the area. Any hostile move against Seoul would result in the total anhilation of anything in North Korea. If you dont think that Bush is just waiting for an excuse to destroy NK, then you are nuts. The Norks know it too. oh, a lot of words would be said and threats made, all empty.
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JeJuJitsu



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
JeJuJitsu wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/21/AR2006062101518.html

The call is out for the US to destroy the missle BEFORE it is launched, reasoning that the US is now within Nuke striking range of NK, and better not take chances, in case they do have nukes.

Damn, I hope this doesn't happen, or we are seriously going to get artillery-shelled into oblivion (ahem, sipping our latte's), as retaliation.


No we wouldnt. The Norks wouldnt dare. Not with atleast one nuke sub in the area. Any hostile move against Seoul would result in the total anhilation of anything in North Korea. If you dont think that Bush is just waiting for an excuse to destroy NK, then you are nuts. The Norks know it too. oh, a lot of words would be said and threats made, all empty.


But the Norks could level Seoul in 20 minutes withOUT nukes...using standard artillery. I'm not so confident in trusting the Norks to be rational.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeJuJitsu wrote:
jinju wrote:
JeJuJitsu wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/21/AR2006062101518.html

The call is out for the US to destroy the missle BEFORE it is launched, reasoning that the US is now within Nuke striking range of NK, and better not take chances, in case they do have nukes.

Damn, I hope this doesn't happen, or we are seriously going to get artillery-shelled into oblivion (ahem, sipping our latte's), as retaliation.


No we wouldnt. The Norks wouldnt dare. Not with atleast one nuke sub in the area. Any hostile move against Seoul would result in the total anhilation of anything in North Korea. If you dont think that Bush is just waiting for an excuse to destroy NK, then you are nuts. The Norks know it too. oh, a lot of words would be said and threats made, all empty.


But the Norks could level Seoul in 20 minutes withOUT nukes...using standard artillery. I'm not so confident in trusting the Norks to be rational.


yes they could. But they know very well what that would lead to. They would get Seoul. A day later there wouldnt be a North Korea.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
JeJuJitsu wrote:
jinju wrote:
JeJuJitsu wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/21/AR2006062101518.html

The call is out for the US to destroy the missle BEFORE it is launched, reasoning that the US is now within Nuke striking range of NK, and better not take chances, in case they do have nukes.

Damn, I hope this doesn't happen, or we are seriously going to get artillery-shelled into oblivion (ahem, sipping our latte's), as retaliation.


No we wouldnt. The Norks wouldnt dare. Not with atleast one nuke sub in the area. Any hostile move against Seoul would result in the total anhilation of anything in North Korea. If you dont think that Bush is just waiting for an excuse to destroy NK, then you are nuts. The Norks know it too. oh, a lot of words would be said and threats made, all empty.


But the Norks could level Seoul in 20 minutes withOUT nukes...using standard artillery. I'm not so confident in trusting the Norks to be rational.


yes they could. But they know very well what that would lead to. They would get Seoul. A day later there wouldnt be a North Korea.


Not sure if I trust Korean logic. Afterall, they SKoreans are showing one WC match on 3 channels while not showing the simultaneous match on any.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The USSR sent the US in a panic when an ICBM that the CIA knew nothing about was shown for the first time in parade in Moscow. The US spent millions of dollars developing a missile that would have a range as great as the estimated for the Russian missile. In the late 90's, one of the Russian aerospace engineers who worked on the missile said that it was his proudest professional achievement because he designed a sophisticated hydrolics systm that made the cardboard props appear as if they weighed tons.


Right ON!

I remember that story and a similiar level of U.S. paranoia, driven to feed the military budget/industrial complex is / has been occuring with N.Korea and also was with Iraq.

These jokers know what is going on but only enough of them .........so they send out false reports, lead everyone on and bingo!!! massive money flows to the right place. Marketing. Marketing except in these cases, the poor guys get to pick up the pieces of other poor dead guys.....

N.Korea has very little. See my post about the Musadan-ri test site - a bunch of tin shacks and craters/mud. In every way, so little. They will fall apart if they are engaged with that in mind........if they are confronted, everyone loses.

DD
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddeubel wrote:
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The USSR sent the US in a panic when an ICBM that the CIA knew nothing about was shown for the first time in parade in Moscow. The US spent millions of dollars developing a missile that would have a range as great as the estimated for the Russian missile. In the late 90's, one of the Russian aerospace engineers who worked on the missile said that it was his proudest professional achievement because he designed a sophisticated hydrolics systm that made the cardboard props appear as if they weighed tons.


Right ON!

I remember that story and a similiar level of U.S. paranoia, driven to feed the military budget/industrial complex is / has been occuring with N.Korea and also was with Iraq.

These jokers know what is going on but only enough of them .........so they send out false reports, lead everyone on and bingo!!! massive money flows to the right place. Marketing. Marketing except in these cases, the poor guys get to pick up the pieces of other poor dead guys.....

N.Korea has very little. See my post about the Musadan-ri test site - a bunch of tin shacks and craters/mud. In every way, so little. They will fall apart if they are engaged with that in mind........if they are confronted, everyone loses.

DD


Do you really trust these lunatic Koreans so much? I guess living in SK, I can extrapolate the mindset, put a Dictator/Commie face on the mentality, and I am not comforted by the Norks NOT to be insane enough to strike first.

Some old rock and roll song said it best-- "When you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose." The Norks have nothing, and they are Koreans, and they are a dictatorial communist regime. I don't like how the stars align on those points.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you really trust these lunatic Koreans so much? I guess living in SK, I can extrapolate the mindset, put a Dictator/Commie face on the mentality, and I am not comforted by the Norks NOT to be insane enough to strike first.

Some old rock and roll song said it best-- "When you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose." The Norks have nothing, and they are Koreans, and they are a dictatorial communist regime. I don't like how the stars align on those points.


I should have been clearer. I don't trust these "new world evangelists" (I refrain from that tired Commie label -- I don't think they are commies, rather opportunists.) as far as you can throw a wet rag.

But that is precisely the point. Don't over react and give an excuse or provide the possibility for a scenario that could happen where so many die. They have nothing, like a caged, starving tiger, leave it alone. Contain it BUT leave it alone. It will die and flowers rise up from its scat..........

But the U.S. won't -- they will bleed this for all its worth. On the gamble it shows the administration as tough cowboys and also on the gamble it will lead to more military expenditure and more profits for those who swim in the cream of that culture.....

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeJuJitsu wrote:
ddeubel wrote:
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The USSR sent the US in a panic when an ICBM that the CIA knew nothing about was shown for the first time in parade in Moscow. The US spent millions of dollars developing a missile that would have a range as great as the estimated for the Russian missile. In the late 90's, one of the Russian aerospace engineers who worked on the missile said that it was his proudest professional achievement because he designed a sophisticated hydrolics systm that made the cardboard props appear as if they weighed tons.


Right ON!

I remember that story and a similiar level of U.S. paranoia, driven to feed the military budget/industrial complex is / has been occuring with N.Korea and also was with Iraq.

These jokers know what is going on but only enough of them .........so they send out false reports, lead everyone on and bingo!!! massive money flows to the right place. Marketing. Marketing except in these cases, the poor guys get to pick up the pieces of other poor dead guys.....

N.Korea has very little. See my post about the Musadan-ri test site - a bunch of tin shacks and craters/mud. In every way, so little. They will fall apart if they are engaged with that in mind........if they are confronted, everyone loses.

DD


Do you really trust these lunatic Koreans so much? I guess living in SK, I can extrapolate the mindset, put a Dictator/Commie face on the mentality, and I am not comforted by the Norks NOT to be insane enough to strike first.

Some old rock and roll song said it best-- "When you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose." The Norks have nothing, and they are Koreans, and they are a dictatorial communist regime. I don't like how the stars align on those points.



Whereas the average North Korean may have nothing, you can bet the leadership is living in the lap of luxury. They are not going to throw that all away. They are masters of buffling and appearing insane...but if they were, they would have tipped their hand long ago. The leadership does not want to lose their comfy positions. They will bluff and bluster (like they always do) but do nothing unless they are attacked.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Whereas the average North Korean may have nothing, you can bet the leadership is living in the lap of luxury. They are not going to throw that all away. They are masters of buffling and appearing insane...but if they were, they would have tipped their hand long ago. The leadership does not want to lose their comfy positions. They will bluff and bluster (like they always do) but do nothing unless they are attacked.


Bingo.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
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Whereas the average North Korean may have nothing, you can bet the leadership is living in the lap of luxury. They are not going to throw that all away. They are masters of buffling and appearing insane...but if they were, they would have tipped their hand long ago. The leadership does not want to lose their comfy positions. They will bluff and bluster (like they always do) but do nothing unless they are attacked.


Bingo.


Agreed, but what if their funding dries up? The US isn't going to willingly prop them up forever.
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