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baldrick
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I mean, when's the last time England won a cup?
It's now a sport dominated by little brown people from South America.
White Englishmen can't deal with that fact. |
It was 1966. Don't you know that? 
The WC has had 9 SA winners and 8 European winners very evenly spread since the start of the tourne, so the world game is not 'now' dominated by 'little brown people' from SA, nor 'the whites'.
I'm not sure that Ashley Cole, Sol Campbell, Lennon, Walcott et al wouldn't agree with your comments either.....  |
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Newbie
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| As much as I now want to see a group of 16 without the red devils, mainly because I can't believe some of the *beep* I have heard people around here spout over the last seven days, I am not game to predict it. |
Aren't you the one who was telling us all off for wanting to see Korea lose? (not trying to throw it in your face, just curious) |
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jaganath69
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| As much as I now want to see a group of 16 without the red devils, mainly because I can't believe some of the *beep* I have heard people around here spout over the last seven days, I am not game to predict it. |
Aren't you the one who was telling us all off for wanting to see Korea lose? (not trying to throw it in your face, just curious) |
Allah B Mohammed on a wooden tricyle, mate, I'd be the last person in the world to tell you off for that! |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| Then again, I wasn't aware of the level of Korean hubris at the time. |
What does this have to do with you cheering for the Korean football team and enjoying their wins???
If we follow that logic how could you cheer for German or English teams knowing some of their fans are the worst hooligans in the world?
What about Italian fans? How could you cheer for Italy then?
How can you cheer for some of the African teams knowing they come from non-democratic and oppressive nations?
Iran? Saudi Arabia?
You must not cheer for many teams...I mean displaying nationalism during the World Cup...what a crime...
Wow..so who do you cheer for?
Perhaps the Swiss as they are a neutral nation....or are you waiting for an all UN Team?
I would suggest leaving the whole nationalism issue at the door and cheering for whatever team you like without wishing any team to fail because you have a problem with the people who come from that country or with certain attitudes you perceive.
Cheers and enjoy the games. |
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Newbie
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| Then again, I wasn't aware of the level of Korean hubris at the time. |
What does this have to do with you cheering for the Korean football team and enjoying their wins???
If we follow that logic how could you cheer for German or English teams knowing some of their fans are the worst hooligans in the world?
What about Italian fans? How could you cheer for Italy then?
How can you cheer for some of the African teams knowing they come from non-democratic and oppressive nations?
Iran? Saudi Arabia?
You must not cheer for many teams...I mean displaying nationalism during the World Cup...what a crime...
Wow..so who do you cheer for?
Perhaps the Swiss as they are a neutral nation....or are you waiting for an all UN Team?
I would suggest leaving the whole nationalism issue at the door and cheering for whatever team you like without wishing any team to fail because you have a problem with the people who come from that country or with certain attitudes you perceive.
Cheers and enjoy the games. |
I don't know Homey ... nothing wrong with wanting to see another team do bad ESPECIALLY when you have reason... "Reason" in this case not wanting to endure 4 years of Korean replays, 24/7 "be the reds" hype, "We are the champions" etc.
I TRY to cheer for Korea, but it is just painful at times. For the sake of all true Korean "soccer" fans -- the ones who really like the game, who can name more than 2 players on the team, and who actually are watching other Cup games -- I hope they do well. But what it that, about 5% of the sea of red? |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| "Reason" in this case not wanting to endure 4 years of Korean replays, 24/7 "be the reds" hype, "We are the champions" etc. |
Well then...
a) Don't watch the games
b) Don't watch Korea tv
c) Learn to see this in its perspective and for what it means to Korea and Koreans.
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Keep feeling that this is all orcherstrated to annoy foreigners...
Whatever floats your boat man. 
As for fans here...if it makes you feel better, most of my wife's family and her friends watch many games (when they have the time). They also cheer for other teams (namely Spain and Ghana).
Also, it is pretty obvious that viewership of games spikes when the national team is involved and that interest lags if the team is not playing or is knocked out.... |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| I would suggest leaving the whole nationalism issue at the door and cheering for whatever team you like |
You couldn't have said it any better Homer. Perhaps maybe that is why so many people are cheering for Korea to lose. They can't separate their way over the top hyper-nationalism from the sport.
Korea should learn to distinguish the two but sadly they can't. The only people I will really truly feel sorry for are the little children that don't know any better.
Furthermore, as I have stated before, Koreans are by and large not soccer fans. They are Korea fans. Their K league is very poorly attended because they really don't care about anything but Daehanminguk. If some Waeguk wants to be a Korean cheerleader, be my guest. Not for me thanks.
So, come on Swiss! You are good at being Neutral so a draw is only appropriate here. That and Homer has endorsed them. (He knows everything it seems.) |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:45 am Post subject: |
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I am cheering for Korea (and another couple of teams), its not an endorsement...its being a fan.....
I also meant leave your nationalism at the door...guess you missed that....
Anyway, I do not know more than the next guy Guri...I just have my opinion as you have yours. No need to insult me (cheerleader??? ). I cheer for the team and enjoy the sport...you are cheering against the team for national or cultural reasons.
To each his own. |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:00 am Post subject: |
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Cheerleader wasn't meant to be derogatory.
I would find it acceptable to cheer for Korea is they didn't bring their overwhelming hyper-nationalism to new extremes. I can check my nationalism at the door. Why can't they? I just cheer for the sport. I like watching the world cup and there are many exciting teams. Canada isn't involved but if they were, I'd cheer for them as well. Meh... |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| Then again, I wasn't aware of the level of Korean hubris at the time. |
What does this have to do with you cheering for the Korean football team and enjoying their wins???
If we follow that logic how could you cheer for German or English teams knowing some of their fans are the worst hooligans in the world?
What about Italian fans? How could you cheer for Italy then?
How can you cheer for some of the African teams knowing they come from non-democratic and oppressive nations?
Iran? Saudi Arabia?
You must not cheer for many teams...I mean displaying nationalism during the World Cup...what a crime...
Wow..so who do you cheer for?
Perhaps the Swiss as they are a neutral nation....or are you waiting for an all UN Team?
I would suggest leaving the whole nationalism issue at the door and cheering for whatever team you like without wishing any team to fail because you have a problem with the people who come from that country or with certain attitudes you perceive.
Cheers and enjoy the games. |
What does Hubris have to do with my opinions of the Korean football team, and more to the point its supporters? Lets see.
Generally, when I momentarily support a team I choose an underdog and one that knows humility. Watching Korea back in 02 I thought "wow, plucky little Asian country with keen fans taking it to the powers of world football, good for them".
I came here the following year.
*I was repeatedly told that the Korean team are good for a number of reasons, most of them racial/genetic or food oriented in nature.
* I'm also told that the Korean team are the fourth best in the world.
* I then watch a qualifier against the Maldives in which the Korean commentators say "I'm sure the Maldives are feeling privaledged to play against the number four country in the world".
* I'm also subjected to endless replays of certain world cup matches on a saturday night rather than being able to view top flight English Premier League games, unless they feature the two teams who boast Korean players.
* I watch the Ghana v Korea game and the Korean broadcast neglects to name the Ghanaian lineup, rather insulting I think.
*Korean fans played their gongs and chanted during the Ghanaian national anthem in the warm up game. A few years back, similar disrespect for opposing teams national anthems by England fans was met by nationwide condemnation. It no longer happens. Similarly, hooliganism has been largely stamped out of the game at all but the lowest levels.
* I also watch the friendly with Bosnia in which the broadcasting channel deems it necessary to play clips of the Bosnian war throughout their anthem.
* I also watch a few replays of the Togo Korea game in which funky graphics are added to the telecast taking the piss out of Togolese players.
To put it short, the Korean media and fans have put me off the team since I arrived here. Nothing against the guys in person, I just find their shills a bit offputting.
In the interests of disclosure I support England and Australia (as I am a citizen of both Aus and the UK) and Chelsea at club level. As an aside, I find Liverpool fans equally irritating as they like nothing more than to bang on about past glories. But at least they have a European cup to crow about recently. I also find Argentinians and Italians equally nauseating, at the footballing level.
So, rather than doing your best impression of a raving irrational Korean netizen, or even just a whitey whose healthy dose of Stockholm Syndrome means he thinks he is one, take a look at the broad perspective. My mild dislike of the Korean team (there are other far more important teams I have real venom for) stems from a) familiarity breeding contempt and b) the media whose behaviour here would make certain segments of the English press look fair and balanced at times. I've nothing against Koreans following their team and I wish them all the best, its just that I am not terribly impressed by them.
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Guri Guy
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| That pretty much nails it on the head. Well put. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| I'm also told that the Korean team are the fourth best in the world. |
Yes, it is this nonsense that gets up people's noses, as well as the fact that so few Koreans will admit to just how lucky they were during that World Cup. The TV coverage is also takes bias and poor sportsmanship to new levels. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Ok jagg...here goes..
*I was repeatedly told that the Korean team are good for a number of reasons, most of them racial/genetic or food oriented in nature.
Silly I agree.....
* I'm also told that the Korean team are the fourth best in the world.
They are ranked 29th (I think) so that is just some bombast by ultra fans (were told by who and by hopw many?)
* I then watch a qualifier against the Maldives in which the Korean commentators say "I'm sure the Maldives are feeling privaledged to play against the number four country in the world".
I watched that game too and did not hear that...must have missed it.
* I'm also subjected to endless replays of certain world cup matches on a saturday night rather than being able to view top flight English Premier League games, unless they feature the two teams who boast Korean players.
You are in Korea...if you want to watch English premiership...move to England or get cable/sat.
They will show English premiership if Korean players play there because their audience is...well..Korean...that seems like simple common sense to me....
* I watch the Ghana v Korea game and the Korean broadcast neglects to name the Ghanaian lineup, rather insulting I think.
I watched that game with my wife and they did name the Ghanaian lineup. They did however over-focus on the Korean line up.
*Korean fans played their gongs and chanted during the Ghanaian national anthem in the warm up game. A few years back, similar disrespect for opposing teams national anthems by England fans was met by nationwide condemnation. It no longer happens. Similarly, hooliganism has been largely stamped out of the game at all but the lowest levels.
This is in bad form (gongs during the anthem) I agree.
* I also watch the friendly with Bosnia in which the broadcasting channel deems it necessary to play clips of the Bosnian war throughout their anthem.
Just weird.
Then again watch any NFL playoff match promos lately....NHL playoffs? World Cup of Hockey?....
* I also watch a few replays of the Togo Korea game in which funky graphics are added to the telecast taking the piss out of Togolese players.
I watched that game at home and have no idea what you are going on about here.....
To put it short, the Korean media and fans have put me off the team since I arrived here. Nothing against the guys in person, I just find their shills a bit offputting.
Media is over the top...agreed.
Fans are being fans. In fact Korean fans following the team have been praised for their level of support by other teams....
In the interests of disclosure I support England and Australia (as I am a citizen of both Aus and the UK) and Chelsea at club level. As an aside, I find Liverpool fans equally irritating as they like nothing more than to bang on about past glories. But at least they have a European cup to crow about recently. I also find Argentinians and Italians equally nauseating, at the footballing level.
To each his own man.
[i]So, rather than doing your best impression of a raving irrational Korean netizen, or even just a whitey whose healthy dose of Stockholm Syndrome means he thinks he is one, take a look at the broad perspective. i]
I am not doing either of these things. But, if it makes you feel more confortable using these labels...go for it. I am in fact looking at the broader perspective, I must not have made than clear enough for you. The broader perspective means that you need to compare football history of various nations before judging the fans and media. You also need to compare the status and history of nations to understand what a world cup spot means to a country.....when you do that you start to understand certain types of behaviour. |
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Guri Guy
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Right you are again Homer. Certainly some countries are way way over zealous for the world cup.
Korea is insanely hyper-nationalistic and that is extremely offputting. Almost cultlike in a way. I believe there is a thread about cults though I admit I don't totally endorse the theory.
In Korea's defence, they have not done anything compared to what happened in Columbia when a player was killed by the Columbian criminal elements for blowing the tournament for them.
I repeat though that Koreans aren't soccer fans by and large. Really a tiny majority are. They couldn't give a d*mn about the game but they overzealously cheer for their country with an extremism that only Korea can do.
The Korean media is absolutely pathetic and most people here usually don't seem to have the capacity to question what they read or hear unfortunately.
I am sorry but I can't get excited about the singing, dancing, red and white color explosion Satanic Christmas celebration.  |
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hermes.trismegistus
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These issues don't exist in a vacuum. If it were a simple matter of the footy, one might over-look the hyper-nationalism. I prefer holistic, synergetic approaches to the world, so I can't over-look the problems.
Screw the Red Devils.
Namaste. |
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