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Skaborough



Joined: 03 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto, ON

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:04 pm    Post subject: Hogwon v.s Public... Reply with quote

I know this is done to death, but I wanted an updated response to the question of, "are public schools or private schools better?". As someone comming to Kroea anew, and as someone who has been interloping on this site for a while I have had the impression that Korea has changed over the last 2 or so years. My question is have the job prospects changed accordingly?

Payce,
Patch
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shoeboy



Joined: 23 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This really has been done to death. Check past posts, I doubt peoples opinions have changed much in the past week.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

see here
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otis



Joined: 02 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Hogwon v.s Public... Reply with quote

Skaborough wrote:
I know this is done to death, but I wanted an updated response to the question of, "are public schools or private schools better?". As someone comming to Kroea anew, and as someone who has been interloping on this site for a while I have had the impression that Korea has changed over the last 2 or so years. My question is have the job prospects changed accordingly?

Payce,
Patch


I would be quite happy to answer this question for you.

It all depends on you. Some people like to consider themselves professional. You know. Dress up. Do lesson plans. Grade papers. If this strikes you as fun, then the public school route is for you.

But there are drawbacks. Lots of Korean mommies hanging around making your life a misery. I'm married to a Korean woman. When it comes to their children, they make a fine Jewish mother look like a Jerry Springer ho.

On top of that, you'll have to deal with a crap load of Korean teachers. They, too, can be a pain since many Asians tend to be racist. For instance, I was once curtly told not to hand out candy to middle school students because it reminded Koreans of the poor war days when American GI's handed out chocolate to Korean kiddies. Real petty crapola.

In a hogwon, you're pretty much given free reign. It's still a pain in the ass, but it is pretty much you and the kiddies--who can be horrible! But what's a boy to do?

Drawbacks? Lots of drawbacks. Disorganized schedules. Dishonest owners. The same old horror stories.

My choice? Hogwon. You have to remember one thing about this gig. Unless you get a university gig, most of these jobs are going to be god awful. But at least in a hogwon you can suffer privately and without much stress as opposed to suffering while mommies call you a flop.

My last piece of advice. Enjoy Korea. Remember this teaching crap is just a vehicle for you to have a good time. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt anything's changed but the availability of public school jobs has probably increased a bit.

Otherwise, go do a search or follow CLG's link.
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ddeubel



Joined: 20 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Otis,

You just described my gig but the exact reverse!!!! I work at a public school and have NO problem/words from parents, do NO lesson plans and Don't dress up, Don't grade papers and Don't have any problems with my Korean colleagues................

I think the word depends is in order here....all depends on the place, you.........

DD
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Peter Jackson



Joined: 23 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:40 pm    Post subject: I agree Reply with quote

Deubel, I have the same experience as you. I had lots of problems with parents in the Suckwon...also grading, lesson plans.

I like my Korean coworkers a lot.

It does all depend...
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Blue Cheer



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: Rooster Forest

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me give you an anology stolen from a Monty Python skit.

If you are having difficulty deciding on whether or not to go the hogwan or public school route ask yourself this question;
"Would I prefer a kick in the groin or a punch to the head?" Laughing
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:55 am    Post subject: Re: Hogwon v.s Public... Reply with quote

otis wrote:
Skaborough wrote:
I know this is done to death, but I wanted an updated response to the question of, "are public schools or private schools better?". As someone comming to Kroea anew, and as someone who has been interloping on this site for a while I have had the impression that Korea has changed over the last 2 or so years. My question is have the job prospects changed accordingly?

Payce,
Patch


I would be quite happy to answer this question for you.

It all depends on you. Some people like to consider themselves professional. You know. Dress up. Do lesson plans. Grade papers. If this strikes you as fun, then the public school route is for you.

(1) But there are drawbacks. Lots of Korean mommies hanging around making your life a misery. I'm married to a Korean woman. When it comes to their children, they make a fine Jewish mother look like a Jerry Springer ho.

(2) On top of that, you'll have to deal with a crap load of Korean teachers. They, too, can be a pain since many Asians tend to be racist. For instance, I was once curtly told not to hand out candy to middle school students because it reminded Koreans of the poor war days when American GI's handed out chocolate to Korean kiddies. Real petty crapola.

(3) In a hogwon, you're pretty much given free reign. It's still a pain in the ass, but it is pretty much you and the kiddies--who can be horrible! But what's a boy to do?

(4) Drawbacks? Lots of drawbacks. Disorganized schedules. Dishonest owners. The same old horror stories.

(5) My choice? Hogwon. You have to remember one thing about this gig. Unless you get a university gig, most of these jobs are going to be god awful. But at least in a hogwon you can suffer privately and without much stress as opposed to suffering while mommies call you a flop.

(6) My last piece of advice. Enjoy Korea. Remember this teaching crap is just a vehicle for you to have a good time. Nothing more, nothing less.


(numbers are mine)
Oh boy oh boy where to start with this pile of disinformation?


1. Maybe that's been YOUR experience. I rarely see the Korean mommies there, and when I do it's always bows or smiles from them. I haven't received even ONE complaint yet...and my school has asked me to renew my contract as of last month. Then though I consider myself professional and work darn hard at maintaining that image (which means making solid lesson plans, and actually teaching in class as opposed to entertaining, among other things)

2. Again that depends on the teachers. Mine are great. I wouldn't be renewing if they gave me any problems. Then again I'm not known for taking crap. You think I'm harsh on this messageboard when people start giving me grief, you should see me in real life when that happens.
I'd have told her where to shove it.

3. In a hakwon you get very little (if any respect from the kiddies) to say nothing of the parents and your co-workers.
In a public school WAY WAY more) as I said I put a lot of effort into being professional. It does pay off in the long run.


4. Late/no pay. Cheated on taxes, pension, severance pay. Falsified complaints about your teaching.....All these are common in hakwons. Funny enough, at my public school NONE of those have happened to me even ONCE.


5. Never been called a flop by mommies or anyone else. And you can bet your hakwon gig that I wouldn't sit there and "suffer". Don't be a doormat or someone's personal punching bag. Give as good as you take. If they complain about your teaching style, complain about their parenting style.


6. Actually this "teaching crap" as you put it is my career and choosen path in life. If you are just here to have a "good time" then it is going to show in your teaching and is probably why you got complaints. If on the other hand you take your job seriously, it is also going to show in your teaching.


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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm starting to think Otis is a single-celled organism.

OP, read what Otis said and think/do the opposite.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:17 am    Post subject: Re: Hogwon v.s Public... Reply with quote

otis wrote:
A WHOLE CRAPLOAD OF CRAP
BLAH
BLAH
BLAH


Wow! See SPINOZA's post for my opinion...
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ScottyG



Joined: 09 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no school is the same, be it public or hakwon. but i've worked in more than a couple of both, and generally i prefer the public school by far in terms of teaching, getting respect, a lot less stress and hassle, and WAY more perks. By that I mean lots of canceled classes, days off, and vacation time. Granted most schools will make you work a camp, but mine never did and i was paid for the time off. A hakwon, on the other hand, will NEVER say to you "you can go home for the rest of the day, and don't bother coming in until next monday. they grade 5's are going on a field trip." I think the pressure is much more on in a hakwon, and yet in some ways you don't have to really follow through on a good lesson plan. In a publlic school, you can spend time on a lesson plan and recycle it amongst the grades, and usually you teach the same grade all day. Some see this as repetitive but I saw it as a chance to make changes to the lesson if things didnt work out in the first class.

The only thing I really missed while working in public schools was the lack of a social network. At a hakwon, you meet a lot more foreignors, have much more fun hanging out at work, and can go out with friends after work for a beer. In a public school you might have one other foreign teacher to hang out with, and most of the Korean teachers won't really interact with you at all. In a public school you will be done work for the day at 4 at the latest (probably as early as 2:30), and you will have the rest of the day to do whatever. If you want to do privates, this is money in the bank and you can double your income if you really want to. At a hakwon, you simply don't have much time or energy to do privates. At an elementary school as well, you will have privates forced on you. This doesnt happen at a hakwon.

overall - hakwon, more relaxed social environment - but more stress and nitpicking and inter-office gossip/competition

public school - easier, yet more expected, can feel isolated, but less to deal with overall.

it would take a very very good hakwon to get a teacher to work in one again once they have worked in a real school.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, thins has indeed been done to death, and very recently at that.

Do a search, or wait for all the folks who love posting the same thing again and again to post the same thing again. It shouldn't take long...
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScottyG wrote:
. At an elementary school as well, you will have privates forced on you. This doesnt happen at a hakwon.

ool.


I work at an elementary school and I have never had privates forced on me or otherwise. Nor have any of the other five foreign public school teachers in my town who work at elementary schools.
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ScottyG



Joined: 09 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no? weird. i could have easily given you some of mine. i had to teach the principles kids, and a few other teachers kids together, especially during the breaks. they made it a study group which worked out well. and then of course they have neighbors who wanted me for an hour after when i was done. when it rains, it pours.
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