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UncleAlex



Joined: 04 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:32 pm    Post subject: Anti-Americanism? Reply with quote

What Real Reality had experienced, being denied entry at a restaurant or
unaccommodated at a department store, must occur only in southern hick
towns or out in the boon docks where there is the bulk of anti-American
sentiment and sympathy for North Korea in its political duel with the USA.
I have been in Korea for about a decade, most of the time in and around
Seoul, but have never had to suffer what RR has had to. The only disrespect
and outright indifference I have had to suffer on a regular basis has been from my
obnoxious neighbours and building management who refuse to respond and act
on my complaints against the 'babos' next door. But when I have a couple of friends
over after midnight and the music is up just a notch either the guard or the
police may give my door a rap. Cool
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
SPINOZA wrote:
I'm the first foreigner at my public middle school and generally the kids are very pleasant. I have one totally unruly class but that's because they're a bit of a babbo class and also co-teacher is to blame for being very soft and timid.

I have only two issues with manners/foreigner issues:

1. Occasionally, a kid will say anyong to me. As we all know, anyong is said (a) by kids to kids, (b) by adults to kids, and by older adults to younger adults, (c) friend-to-friend (all ages). None of those situations are applicable as this is kid-to-adult foreign teacher. Kids must never, ever say anyong to me because I'm not a kid and not their friend. Well, some of my students I know and like sufficiently well to describe as friends, but I'm not referring to them. Say hi, hello or anyong ha se yo to me. Doesn't happen often, mind, but when it does I will either ignore them or tell them off. The main problem here is that idiot Korean teachers tell kids that hi/hello = anyong. I know this because some kids will say "hi, hello, anyong". They do not equal anyong.

2. Kids increasingly don't bow and say anyong ha se yo as they do heartily to Korean teachers. Many do, but many don't. The problem here, I feel, is that Koreans teach kids that we in the West simply do not bow like they do, thus it's unnecessary to bow. We wave and say hi/hello. Kids, because they're kids and they don't think about these boring things, are not thinking "foreigner = unworthy of a bow/can treat foreigner with substandard manners". Usually they're doing what they've been taught.

Other than the above, which can be explained away, I don't beat myself up about this. I'm liked and I enjoy my job and like the kids very much in return. Full-on Korean respect isn't necessary to my being really.


Interesting - we both started in public schools around the same time as the first ever foreigner and I've noticed exactly the same thing. As for #2, I'd rather get a wave and a 'Hi!!!' from a kid who's genuinely happy to see me than a bow and formal greeting from an obsequious automatron. As for the rare 'anyeong!' - I'd rather just ignore it and wait til it happens when there's a Korean teacher around. While I generally get a lot of respect from my students I get an enormous amount from my co-workers.


I personally don't care if the kids say anyong to me or not. I usually respond to them with anyong hassimnika Laughing . Like previously mentioned, I'd prefer a genuine "Hi!" or "Hi Alyson" or "Hi Alyson teacher" any day of the week. I don't take it seriously. And the kids do respect me. There are bigger things to worry about then what form they use to say hello to me....It's not like I'm here to teach them Korean.....
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stakay



Joined: 16 Jul 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:50 pm    Post subject: Re: No respect for Foreigners Reply with quote

CoolTeach wrote:
Are there any people here that have experienced complete disrespect????

Some of the students are completely disrespectful towards me. Using bad language and not listening to what I have to say. Running about as if what I say didn't even matter. Using bamal. I think these little pissants don't know how to treat a foreign teacher.
Just because I am a foreign person, does this mean I am not an adult? Shoulden't be respected as others are??? What ever I do to punish these little brats, they think is funny. I lose my voice in this class in 10 minutes.

Is there a good way to set boundaries for these punks? I can't explain anything to them because they can't speak very much English?


You won't ever automatically be respected by kids just because you are a teacher, you have to earn respect. Sounds like your classes run wild a little - in their heads they're thinking 'haha, he/she can't control us so let's do what we want, isn't this fun!'

Have you ever talked about rules to them? Got a poster on the wall with rules written down - put your hand up to speak - sit on your chair... etc. If they can't speak much English you can still explain it to them with a bit of miming. And then decide what the consequences are if they break the rule. Will you give them a warning? Will you give an extra punishment after 3 warnings? etc..

Oh, and if you are losing your voice in the first 10 minutes then you are yelling too much, and yelling isn't going to achieve anything if you do it all the time anyway. If the kids are talking over you just try saying nothing, giving them a strong look and hold your hand up. NEVER speak to them while they are chatting. Yelling can be effective though, but just not all the time.

You will be able to change things, but it's going to take a fair bit of effort on your part. If they break the rules and you're too tired to discipline them one day then all your hard work will go down the gurgler. Work hard at it, and you'll be ok!
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem arises because Native teachers often can't correct the kids when needed, on the spot and in their own language.

We rely on physical force, not words, to keep discipline. But you're always going to get into trouble, not to mention look ridiculous shouting "hajimaaah!" and shaking little Johnny when he is cheeky or dong chims you.
if you have the time to grab hold of every offender and take them to the KT, then try and explain the offence when she's more likely to understand his point of view, then...good luck to you.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was a contractor for Uncle Sam, I experienced the same thing Real Realtiy did......in Itaewon. However, it was about the time the American soldier ran over the two Korean school girls with an LMTV (I think). Anti-American sentiment was running very high then.
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SirFink



Joined: 05 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:38 am    Post subject: Re: No respect for Foreigners Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
2. You don't speak Korean.


This also means you can't call their parents and tell them what a little brat their kid is. And most kids are smart enough to realize this. When my Korean teaching assistant threatens (in Korean) to call a kid's mom, man does that put the fear of God into them. Not being fluent in Korean, that option is totally unavailable to me.
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Oilers Fan



Joined: 05 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

5 words: Turn that frown upside down.
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, look at it this way. At least you're not a nobody, like Canuckistain. That hoe isn't even a teacher here in Korea.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:53 am    Post subject: Re: No respect for Foreigners Reply with quote

SirFink wrote:
Qinella wrote:
2. You don't speak Korean.


This also means you can't call their parents and tell them what a little brat their kid is. And most kids are smart enough to realize this. When my Korean teaching assistant threatens (in Korean) to call a kid's mom, man does that put the fear of God into them. Not being fluent in Korean, that option is totally unavailable to me.


Unless a Korean teacher can call on your behalf? Maybe the Korean wouldn't say it the way you'd like to, but maybe it would be helpful.
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