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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually - whilst I've no problem with Korea and their soccer fans - I must confess I'd love to wear a "Reds go home together" t-shirt, and kudos to the OP. |
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pegpig

Joined: 10 May 2005
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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About the supposed offside goal:
In the 77th, Frei rounded the goalkeeper to score. The lineman flagged for offside, but the referee ruled that a Korean defender had played the ball to Frei. 100% CORRECT. |
Who cares if he was correct or not? The linesman raised the flag and the Koreans stopped playing naturally. If you can't trust the men in charge than who can you trust. The play should have stopped whether the linesman was wrong or not. That's the stupidest thing I've seen in this stupid sport. |
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4 months left

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| 4 months left wrote: |
About the supposed offside goal:
In the 77th, Frei rounded the goalkeeper to score. The lineman flagged for offside, but the referee ruled that a Korean defender had played the ball to Frei. 100% CORRECT. |
Who cares if he was correct or not? The linesman raised the flag and the Koreans stopped playing naturally. If you can't trust the men in charge than who can you trust. The play should have stopped whether the linesman was wrong or not. That's the stupidest thing I've seen in this stupid sport. |
I agree, not my favorite sport either but the #1 rule you are taught when you are kid playing sports is never give up on a play. They've all played the game most of their life and all know that the ref can overule the linesman. There is no excuse for it. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| pegpig wrote: |
| 4 months left wrote: |
About the supposed offside goal:
In the 77th, Frei rounded the goalkeeper to score. The lineman flagged for offside, but the referee ruled that a Korean defender had played the ball to Frei. 100% CORRECT. |
Who cares if he was correct or not? The linesman raised the flag and the Koreans stopped playing naturally. If you can't trust the men in charge than who can you trust. The play should have stopped whether the linesman was wrong or not. That's the stupidest thing I've seen in this stupid sport. |
Mistakes occur. Sometimes they go for you - see numerous incidents in the 2002 WC - and sometimes they go against you. That's one of the most exasperating yet great things about The Beautiful Game. Debate ensues. The kind of post-game debate in Baseball and American so-called Football is "he played a grrrrreat game!". Shlte. |
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004 Location: KC
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| pegpig wrote: |
| Who cares if he was correct or not? The linesman raised the flag and the Koreans stopped playing naturally. If you can't trust the men in charge than who can you trust. The play should have stopped whether the linesman was wrong or not. That's the stupidest thing I've seen in this stupid sport. |
I seriously doubt most of the players in the immediate area were even looking at the linesman. If so, then they were stupid. To stop playing is stupid. The only time they stop playing is with a whistle by the ref, and even then they don't always stop right away.
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Greekfreak

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Anybody who's played soccer as a kid should have been taught to PLAY THE WHISTLE, but in the WC, too often people dive expecting fouls or stop play expecting Santa to bring them a gift, and the other team makes them pay for it. Most of the time.
I must confess, there are quite a few unsavory posts on my WC blog concerning Korea's finger-pointing at the officiating. You'll never hear me complaining that Greece were done in during qualifying because of the officiating. They lost 2-1 to Albania in the opening match, for phucks sake!
Either way, 1-0 or 2-0, they needed more than a tying goal, and they didn't really look like they'd ever get one. The Swiss goalie made a few good instinctive saves and kept them in the game.
Deep down inside, if you asked most Koreans before the tourney started or even now, they didn't have very high expectations for the team. Advocaat did the most he could with what he had, and besides which, it was a much tougher group than four years ago.
I think the formation stunk all the way around, as they worked a 3-4-3 in '02. This year's where they could have used the extra defender. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| 4 months left wrote: |
About the supposed offside goal:
In the 77th, Frei rounded the goalkeeper to score. The lineman flagged for offside, but the referee ruled that a Korean defender had played the ball to Frei. 100% CORRECT. http://soccer.sportsnet.tsn.ca/news_story/?id=306
All is even anyway...In the France game they got away with a goal the ref didn't count but the Swiss goal was legit. Obviously Koreans won't see it that way. Still, if the 2nd goal doesn't count it is still 1-0 Swiss. |
Let's be clear here now.
Are you saying it WASN'T an offside goal?
What's 100% correct?
Frankly i thought they got screwed.
In all fairness, replays clearly showed two Swiss hand balls as well  |
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4 months left

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| 4 months left wrote: |
About the supposed offside goal:
In the 77th, Frei rounded the goalkeeper to score. The lineman flagged for offside, but the referee ruled that a Korean defender had played the ball to Frei. 100% CORRECT. http://soccer.sportsnet.tsn.ca/news_story/?id=306
All is even anyway...In the France game they got away with a goal the ref didn't count but the Swiss goal was legit. Obviously Koreans won't see it that way. Still, if the 2nd goal doesn't count it is still 1-0 Swiss. |
Let's be clear here now.
Are you saying it WASN'T an offside goal?
What's 100% correct?
Frankly i thought they got screwed.
In all fairness, replays clearly showed two Swiss hand balls as well  |
It went off the Korean player last so no offside. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| It went off the Korean player last so no offside. |
Ok thanks ...
Guess i'll have to watch that replay again a little more closely. |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004 Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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In all fairness, replays clearly showed two Swiss hand balls as well  |
It's not a hand ball unless it's intentional. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| babtangee wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
In all fairness, replays clearly showed two Swiss hand balls as well  |
It's not a hand ball unless it's intentional. |
Well then, the refs must have NOT seen either, OR simply judged both to be unintentional.
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peemil

Joined: 09 Feb 2003 Location: Koowoompa
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Rule one:
Don't stop play till the ref blows the whistle.
Tough shit Korea. |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005 Location: Gangnam
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Being a pretty typical American, I know practically nothing about soccer. It took me about 6 months here to figure out the red and yellow cards in my classroom that I was supposed to hand out to kids who spoke Korean during class, was a reference to soccer. However, as I watched the game, it was extremely easy to see, even to such a layman as myself, that Korea was hopelessly outmatched.
The best I could do was relate it to what I know about hockey and the playing styles there, and I found it's really very similar. In the first half, at least, Korea had no control of the ball and could almost never clear it out of their own end. I'm amazed the Swiss didn't score more goals. The second half, from what I saw before I started nodding off, they seemed to be doing better, but the Swiss defense, which looked superb against Korea�but what do I know�was too strong and credit needs to be given to the goaltender who made some spectacular saves.
My point is, since this is all news to no one who watched the game, is that if this is how Korea plays typically, how could anyone, even Koreans, think they could really put up a fight in the WC? Is was apparent to me in the first 5 minutes that barring a miracle, Korea was going home. I don't feel bad for them at all. I feel more sympathy for Japan who got a severe beat-down on them by Brazil. After the second goal, they just gave up trying anyway. They knew they were beaten and it absolutely showed in how they played.
I'm actually pretty exicted that I might stop hearing that damned deahaminguk crap everywhere I go.
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I've heard a lot of talk about the refs favouring Switzerland. This was going around back when they beat Togo. Apparently the ref denied Togo two penalty kicks they deserved, and he later admitted it. |
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4 months left

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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| I've heard a lot of talk about the refs favouring Switzerland. This was going around back when they beat Togo. Apparently the ref denied Togo two penalty kicks they deserved, and he later admitted it. |
One of my students said that the head of FIFA is Swiss so they will get preferential treatment. I'm sure that was and will be reported again the Korean media. |
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