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With regards to the offside ruling.....
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Guri Guy



Joined: 07 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting excerpt from a World cup blog.

Big Question: Which has been the most poorly officiated match?

The Switzerland-Korea game got no responses. Apparently everyone except for Koreans thought it was decent refereeing.

http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2006/big-question-which-has-been-the-most-poorly-officiated-match.html#more-1545
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Zulu



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
from what Is aw on TV it was offside. What bothers me more than ahthign is the stupid, mindless, almost venomous glee of idiots on this board who were happy about the ruling.


Whatever. Just for fun let's be reaaall nice to Jinju and say Korea only lost 1-0, choking in the round of 32 rather than "winning all 3 games easily" as their goalkeeper had crowed a couple of weeks ago.

There, feel better? (You can go back to hacking the FIFA site now).
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Zulu



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guri Guy wrote:
Interesting excerpt from a World cup blog.

Big Question: Which has been the most poorly officiated match?

The Switzerland-Korea game got no responses. Apparently everyone except for Koreans thought it was decent refereeing.

http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2006/big-question-which-has-been-the-most-poorly-officiated-match.html#more-1545


Yeah but that'll change as soon as the Nazizens latch on to it and go into hyperwhine.
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SMKOREA



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

any student of mine that says "op saheeduh" tomorrow is getting double homework.
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spinario



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By rule, the play was not offside.

However, by rule, if the linesman holds up his flag, the play is dead.

Goal should have been disallowed. Anything that happened after the scoreboard read 2-0 was a fallacy.

And to suggest that Korea wouldn't have scored a goal is conjecture.
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched the game live on ESPN and the commentators - one British - were very adamant that it was a blown call.
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Billy Pilgrim



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Koreans should have played to the whistle, not that I think they could have stopped the goal anyway. However, it is a legitimate gripe, becasue a flag going up like that is going to halt the defenders.

I never understood the rule saying that it is flicks of a defender, players are automatically onside. If they play at it, okay. But it makes it a huge grey area, and should be made much simpler.
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Zulu



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spinario wrote:
And to suggest that Korea wouldn't have scored a goal is conjecture.


Hence to suggest that (if the second Swiss goal was disallowed) Korea would have scored the 2 goals necessary to advance is twice the conjecture.

Fact is, they didn't score any goals, they LOST and so buh-bye Korea.
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you really wish there is an online petition for you to sign. Razz

http://www.petitiononline.com/wc06pet/petition.html

To: F�d�ration Internationale de Football Association(FIFA)

The South Korea v.s. Switzerland match(6/24/06) in the 2006 World Cup was a fraudulent game that clearly showed cases of poor ethics and incompetent judgement by the referee Horacio Elizondo. He awarded the Swiss team a goal in the 77th minute despite the fact that an offsides flag was raised by the assistant referee Rodolfo Otero. The reasoning in doing away with the offsides call was that the ball was put into the path of Alexander Frei after deflecting off Lee Ho's foot. According to the FIFA regulations, deflections DO NOT count as possession, so the pass to Frei was nothing short of offsides. Whether if the FIFA administration agrees with the claim on this controversial goal or not, this was a faulty motion on the part of the referees. Also, handling was never issued to the Swiss defender Patrick M�ller in the 42nd minute, who clearly touched the ball that was coming towards the Swiss goal from a corner kick and was inside the penalty area. The same misjudgement on handling occurred again by the Swiss 8 minutes into the second half. The referee was also in the way of the South Korean player Kim Nam Il and interfered by kicking the ball. The game consisted of a number of unprincipled calls by Elizondo and the confusion created from his judgement led to an eyesore of a game. The match was very unbalanced in terms of fairness of calls from the referee and this issue must be resolved. South Korea's national team should be compensated for this disadvantage served by Elizondo, either a fair game should take place between South Korea and Switzerland as reimbursement or Elizondo should be fired from refereeing internationally for the sport of soccer/football. Horacio Elizondo's brash decisions were fatal to the morale and play of the South Korean team and were big factors in the outcome of the game. His interferences and maladroit performance as a referee cannot just go without punishment.
Because of his substandard skills as an international referee, the South Korea v.s. Swiss match was a mix-matched jumble of pure confusion: it was not a properly officiated World Cup soccer game, but was more like hogwash thanks to the inferiority of Horacio Elizondo and his highly questionable ethics in refereeing an international soccer game.


I admit Fifa does lack a little wisdom in choosing their referees. Apparently Elizondo played in Switzerland (or for them, not sure) and has a Swiss wife. Koreans will get even madder now. Sad


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Zulu



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is the most pathetic petition I've ever seen.
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's gathering steam. 73 signatures. It had 71 when I posted the info. Wink
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JLarter



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha, a petition would solve nothing!!!
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JJK1



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
even if the goal was disallowed.. the score is still 1:0!!

I dont know why koreans are crying about it...
now if the score was 1:1 and that goal was allowed to give the swiss a 2:1 lead then yes!! by gods name RIOT in the swiss!! and be crazy!!
fact is.. Korea didnt score!!

The ref not only missed the offsides but missed two handballs in the penalty box. If he had called the two handballs, Korea would maybe have been up 2:1

a picture of one of the handballs...



Not to mention that the second goal was a major confidence and momentum breaker



And even if goal wasnt offsides, there were two offside passes before the final ball

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tWmnBKEV_Q
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fruitcake



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JJK1 wrote:
itaewonguy wrote:
even if the goal was disallowed.. the score is still 1:0!!

I dont know why koreans are crying about it...
now if the score was 1:1 and that goal was allowed to give the swiss a 2:1 lead then yes!! by gods name RIOT in the swiss!! and be crazy!!
fact is.. Korea didnt score!!

The ref not only missed the offsides but missed two handballs in the penalty box. If he had called the two handballs, Korea would maybe have been up 2:1

a picture of one of the handballs...



Not to mention that the second goal was a major confidence and momentum breaker



And even if goal wasnt offsides, there were two offside passes before the final ball

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tWmnBKEV_Q


and you know how much Korea needs penalty kicks to advance....lol
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4 months left



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JJK1 wrote:
itaewonguy wrote:
even if the goal was disallowed.. the score is still 1:0!!

I dont know why koreans are crying about it...
now if the score was 1:1 and that goal was allowed to give the swiss a 2:1 lead then yes!! by gods name RIOT in the swiss!! and be crazy!!
fact is.. Korea didnt score!!

The ref not only missed the offsides but missed two handballs in the penalty box. If he had called the two handballs, Korea would maybe have been up 2:1

a picture of one of the handballs...



Not to mention that the second goal was a major confidence and momentum breaker



And even if goal wasnt offsides, there were two offside passes before the final ball

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tWmnBKEV_Q


I don't believe either case was deliberate. It is not offside until the ball is through to the offside player, isn't it?


The FIFA Laws of the Game statethat a direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player �handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area).� So assuming we aren�t talking about goalkeepers, there are two things for the referee to decide:

1. Was contact made with the hands?
2. Was it deliberate?

http://www.powaysoccer.com/LOTW/LOTW%201.pdf#search='soccer%20handball%20rule'
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