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CoolTeach
Joined: 19 Apr 2006
Location: Back in the USSR
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75yr
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:17 am Post subject: |
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Where do you draw the line between culture characteristic and personal characteristic???
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I used a little gimmick when I first came here. I would ask the same question of several different Korean friends and compare the answers. It soon became (somewhat) clear what was personal and what was cultural. In the end I came to understand better that each person is an individual within a cultural framework. It certainly isn't a profound or original insight, but it helped me grasp the difference between a person who grew up in my culture and those who grew up in a different culture. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:24 am Post subject: |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:28 am Post subject: |
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You want to ask a question, or do you want to make a point? Compare the first and last sentences in your OP.
Meanwhile, who were referred to as the cultural experts? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:37 am Post subject: |
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It is my personal opinion, like I don't think gays should be asking for right. Because I grew up without money and realize that with money, you can buy rights.
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So, are you saying that instead of asking for rights, that gay people should start earning more money and then buy rights? Your statement isn't very clear.
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I think language, traditions, food, music etc... are the fundamental elements on what we should judge a people by. I think racism, arrogance, wealth, being spoiled, religion, or personal preference.
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You know, a lot of things are included under the heading of "traditions". Like, for example, in Korea, the arrogance that westerners sometimes perceive in older people is rooted in the Confucian tradition. But your lists talk about these things as if they are mutually exclusive of one another. |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Does thought structure language... or does language structure thought?  |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| Does thought structure language... or does language structure thought? |
Haha, nice.
Do people eat food or does food eat people?  |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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If you're a native Kiwi, people are food. 
P.S. I'm a Canuck. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| Personality is interpolated through enculturation, dynamically It's impossible to treat them as discrete factors, ie you can't say trait a is a result of persoanlity and trait b is a result of your culture. If only the world were that simple... |
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daskalos
Joined: 19 May 2006
Location: The Road to Ithaca
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: Personality or Culture |
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| For instance, I don't like pushy gay people. I have no prblems with gays as long as they don't push their ideas on me. I am me, don't try to change the way I think, unless you would like me to do the same. I have gay friends, but they know that I don't agree with many of the thinks they think and vice versa. It is my personal opinion, like I don't think gays should be asking for right. Because I grew up without money and realize that with money, you can buy rights. |
Yeah, and I like straight people, for the most part, except those ones who think I should be a quiet, respectful little fa@@ot who doesn't make too much noise about being a second class citizen, who takes being sh_t on meekly and sweetly. No, I don't at all like the straight people who insist on pushing their ideas on me, especially since the result of all their pushing means that I have to beg just to be considered a fully enfranchised citizen of my own country. And I especially don't like bigotted straight a$$holes who try to palm their bigotry off as some sort of innocuous personality or cultural trait.
These are just my personal opinions, of course. |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Personality, culture or race? |
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CoolTeach
Joined: 19 Apr 2006
Location: Back in the USSR
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:52 am Post subject: Re: Personality or Culture |
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melong
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Bronski
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| I've never had a gay person try to push their ideas on me. If a gay man hits on you do you get itchy and uncomfortable? If I hit on a lesbian because I assume she's straight, am I pushing my ideas on her? There are plenty of straight organizations that try to convert homosexuals to heterosexuality and I haven't seen the reverse. If you think Queer Eye for the Straight Guy (or some such show) is the decline of hetero-manly civilization then I suggest you lighten up. |
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daskalos
Joined: 19 May 2006
Location: The Road to Ithaca
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:21 am Post subject: Re: Personality or Culture |
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| For instance, I don't like pushy gay people. I have no prblems with gays as long as they don't push their ideas on me. I am me, don't try to change the way I think, unless you would like me to do the same. I have gay friends, but they know that I don't agree with many of the thinks they think and vice versa. It is my personal opinion, like I don't think gays should be asking for right. Because I grew up without money and realize that with money, you can buy rights. |
Yeah, and I like straight people, for the most part, except those ones who think I should be a quiet, respectful little fa@@ot who doesn't make too much noise about being a second class citizen, who takes being sh_t on meekly and sweetly. No, I don't at all like the straight people who insist on pushing their ideas on me, especially since the result of all their pushing means that I have to beg just to be considered a fully enfranchised citizen of my own country. And I especially don't like bigotted straight a$$holes who try to palm their bigotry off as some sort of innocuous personality or cultural trait.
These are just my personal opinions, of course. |
Second class citizens??? Enfranchised citizen??? Guess what, gays have just as many rights as any other person. Marriage is more of a religious thing than legal. What you are saying is that gay marriage is about money, money, money. My gay friend was married for love, she didn't care that she doesn't get a tax break. How is it bigotry??? Am I a biggot for haying child molesters, abusive husbands or serial killers??? No. Society isn't ready to believe that being a homosexual is anything other than a choice. If you want to be accepted by ignorant jerks, then you may be asking too much. If you want to exchange vows with your significant other, than as far as I am concerned, you are married. But, pride parades??? Come on?? If straight people had a pride parade, gays would have a big problem. Perhaps yje "biggott parade?" Don't get me wrong, but I think gays have their own perspective like anyone else. If you call a straight person a biggott, I think you are a biggott. Why not just go back into the closet??? |
No, you're a bigot for lumping gays in with a group that includes molesters and violent criminals.
I didn't actually make mention of the fact that I can't get legally married in my own country to the man I want to. I was talking about the fact that it is perfectly legal in most U.S. states to fire me for being gay, or deny me housing or credit. But on the subject of marriage, I can't live with my husband in America because he's not an American citizen, and the federal government doesn't recognize our relationship. So when I talk about being not being fully enfranchised, what I mean is that your tax dollars buy you more rights than mine do.
Society's not being ready to accept the justice of a situation has no bearing on the actual justice of that situation. Society has a long history of taking a long time to get things right.
There's always a lot of noise about whether or not gays choose to be gay. It's a debate I stay out of because I find the question of why gays are gay to be distasteful and wrong -- it assumes being gay is a problem whose cause needs to be determined, the better to fix it. But for the record, even IF it were a choice, it's a valid one.
Thanks for your post, though. It was enlightening. I especially liked how you implicitly and demonstrably lumped yourself in with the group that includes ignorant jerks. To get back on topic, would that be a personality trait, or a cultural one? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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What did you ask them?
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The two questions that I can remember off the top of my head right now:
1) I know you have to 'respect' your elders, but what if your dad is in the mafia, or the town drunk? (I quickly learned that they really mean 'defer', not respect.) Heard a lot of interesting stories about Korean family life.
2) Give me an example of a good senior and a bad senior. |
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