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fiveeagles
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fiveeagles
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gypsyfish
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:30 am Post subject: |
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I read on a web site called Media Matters a couple of days ago that Keith Oberman called O'Reilly to task for saying to Wesley Clarke, on two different shows, that US soldiers lined up 200 Gestapo soldiers and massacred them toward the end of WWII. (Oberman has a real hard-on against O'Reilly and often points out hypocracy and false information.)Oberman pointed out that FOX News altered the transcript of what O'Reilly said, but Media Matters pointed out that, after Oberman's broadcast, they changed it back to what had been said.
He mentioned nothing about the US Army Air Corps bombing the town, that Wikipedia noted.
I looked to see if I had the Media Matters email, but couldn't find it. It's a good site - if a little strident - for pointing out when conservatives make false claims.
Try this for the web site:
http://tinyurl.com/lr3du
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rollo
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| Malmedy was noted where Joachim Pipiers "werewoves" had infiltrated behind allied lines and had captured a group of U.S. soldiers, mostly clerks and lined them up and shot them. At least this is what I have read about it. It has been written about extensively. I know of no bombing raid in that area during the battle of the bulge. I do not trust wiki. or Bill Oreilly. Maybe i am misinformed! |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Yeah Keith Olberman has been slamming O'Reilly/Chief Nutbar you can go here to see some of the videos (as well as video of Olberman slamming head brownshirt Coulter):
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
go back a week for the stuff on Malmedy. |
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Sooke
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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It's a great site. Unfortunately, it may contain too many facts for some posters to accept. Waiting for it to be attacked by someone. I imagine something like this: "That site is run by someone who dislikes Bush. A commenter on that site linked to ____________.com, a known site with anti-_____________ views!" You know how it goes. |
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Octavius Hite
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree but the great thing about the site is that alot of it is just posted video clips, so just watch and make up your own mind, I know thats a hard thing for the right wingers, cause unles the Bush Crime Family says it, it isn't real. |
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Hater Depot
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| Um, it's not so difficult. American bombing around Christmas 1944 killed 200 civilians. A few months later was the massacre of American troops. |
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fiveeagles
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:22 am Post subject: |
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Looks like Riley did miss it, but to call him a liar?
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THE MALM�DY MASSACRE (December 17, 1944)
During the Ardennes Offensive (Battle of the Bulge) the Combat Group of the 1st SS Panzer Division, led by SS Major Joachim Peiper, was approaching the crossroads at Baugnes near the town of Malm�dy. There they encountered a company of US troops (Battery B of the 285th Field Artillery Observation Battalion) from the US 7th Armoured Division. Realizing that the odds were hopeless, the company's commander, Lt. Virgil Lary, decided to surrender. After being searched by the SS, the prisoners were marched into a field adjacent to the Cafe Bodarw�. The SS troops moved on except for two Mark IV tanks Nos. 731 and 732, left behind to guard the GIs. A couple of GIs tried to flee to the nearest woods and an order was given to fire. SS Private Georg Fleps of tank 731 drew his pistol and fired at Lary's driver who fell dead in the snow. The machine guns of both tanks then opened fire on the prisoners. Many of the GIs took to their heels and headed for the woods. Incredibly, 43 GIs survived, but 84 of their comrades lay dead in the field, being slowly covered with a blanket of snow. No attempt was made to recover the bodies until the area was retaken by the 30th Infantry Division on January 14, 1945, when men from the 291st Engineers used metal detectors to locate the bodies buried in the snow. (The US troops in the area were issued with an order that for the next week no SS prisoners were to be taken) At the end of the war, Peiper, and 73 other suspects (arrested for other atrocities committed during the offensive) were brought to trial. When the trial ended on July 16, 1946, forty three of the defendants were sentenced to death, twenty two to life imprisonment, two to twenty years, one for fifteen years and five to ten years. Peiper and Fleps were among those sentenced to death, but after a series of reviews the sentences were reduced to terms in prison. On December 22, 1956, SS Sturmbannf�hrer Peiper was released. He settled in the small village of Traves in northern France in 1972 and four years later, on the eve of Bastille Day, he was murdered and his house burned down by a French communist group. His charred body was recovered from the ruins and transferred to the family grave in Schondorf, near Landsberg in Bavaria. Most of the remains of the murdered GIs were eventually shipped back to the US for private burial but twenty-one still lie buried in the American Military Cemetery at Henri-Chappelle, about forty kilometers north of Malm�dy.
American flag flies over the Malmedy Memorial built at the Baugnes crossroads
Today, the American flag flies over the the Malm�dy Memorial, built at the Baugnes crossroads, about 60 metres from where the actual killings took place
The Malmedy Memorial wall plaques
The Malm�dy Memorial Wall - 84 names of the victims are engraved on individual plaques on the wall behind the flagpole |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| In 1944 during the Second World War, it was the site of the Malmedy massacre, where some 100 prisoners of war were killed by German SS troops. |
According to the Olberman piece, some Americans retaliated by executing SS troops captured shortly after that. That seems to be what O'Reilly is focused on, not the friendly-fire bombing of the town or the execution of the American captives. What seems to matter to him are the deaths of SS soldiers. Is that really a surprise? |
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fiveeagles
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
From Wikipedia:
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| In 1944 during the Second World War, it was the site of the Malmedy massacre, where some 100 prisoners of war were killed by German SS troops. |
According to the Olberman piece, some Americans retaliated by executing SS troops captured shortly after that. That seems to be what O'Reilly is focused on, not the friendly-fire bombing of the town or the execution of the American captives. What seems to matter to him are the deaths of SS soldiers. Is that really a surprise? |
Come on. He is sometimes blinded by his own arrogance, but he is hardly a left wing sympathizer. It's totally hypocricisy to call him that and then call him a right wing nut. Either he is one or the other. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:51 am Post subject: |
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he is hardly a left wing sympathizer. It's totally hypocricisy to call him that and then call him a right wing nut. Either he is one or the other.
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Have you been mainlining the communion wine again? |
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fiveeagles
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
| Um, it's not so difficult. American bombing around Christmas 1944 killed 200 civilians. A few months later was the massacre of American troops. |
I think this is what Reilly was referring to, right? Americans killed 200 civilians. If that happened now, it would be a huge press bonaza. |
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