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Jeju Rocks



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am too lazy to check for myself, has Australia been moved to the Asian Conference? I know that they always play New Zealand and .... and .... , and then they have to go and try and qualify in South America to get to the WC.
They will have a much easier time qualifying if they don't have to go the South American route.

I was in Australia in 2000, and was very impressed with their youth sports programs.
Still drinking my morning coffee.
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jaganath69



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeju Rocks wrote:
I am too lazy to check for myself, has Australia been moved to the Asian Conference? I know that they always play New Zealand and .... and .... , and then they have to go and try and qualify in South America to get to the WC.
They will have a much easier time qualifying if they don't have to go the South American route.

I was in Australia in 2000, and was very impressed with their youth sports programs.
Still drinking my morning coffee.


Correct, as of this year we were accepted. Our last qualification as part of the OFC was for this world cup and as an AFC member we will be attempting to qualify for the Asian Cup.
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rocklee



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaganath69 wrote:
rocklee wrote:
Does Bondi beach ring a bell for you?

How about you pull your f@ckin head out of the sand.


Try Cronulla, you factually challenged cretin. How that was related to sport, I will never know. It was a pent up reaction to a spate of thuggery by Lebanese gangs. What's more, if you new anything about the state of contemporary sports violence in Australia you'd remember it was the very same ethnic group, supporters of the Bulldogs Rugby League Club that have been responsible for about the only instance of it in recent years. But no, like every other undergrad f@ckstain w@nker just out of tw@t college in some welfare ridden sh1tehole in North America or New Zealand, you can make your d1ckhead assumptions on the snippet you read on cnn.com whilst sipping your latte in starbucks whilst on your gap year amongst the little people in Asia. Seriously mate, get a friggin grip and wake up to yourself, better still, give yourself an uppercut then go take a walk into the hall of mirrors and take a damn good look at your pathetic f#cken self. That is all.


What a load of crap.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Cronulla_riots_2_-_no_lebs.jpg

That says "No lebs", with the Australian flags drabbed on people's shoulders.

It takes a bunch of yobbos to spark off a riot of any kind in Australia just because "its their country". The incident at Cronulla (and Bondi beach) is but one of many dating all the way back to 2002 where Australian gangs had nothing better to do than to begin unncessary attacks on passing migrants.

Want more? At Cronulla :

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As the crowd marched along the beach and foreshore area, waving Australian flags, the crowd chanted racist slogans, with many wearing clothes bearing racist sentiment.

Middle Eastern men were openly targetted and assaulted. A young Muslim woman wearing a veil was chased into a kiosk on Cronulla beach. Police tried to move her away from the chanting crowd but were unable to reach the security of the command post. While the woman and police officers hid in the kiosk, a crowd surrounded the kiosk and shouted "Kill the Lebs", while others climbed on top of the kiosk.


And more :

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NSW Deputy Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione says police believed neo-Nazi and white nationalist groups were among the crowd. "That in fact is something that we're following up," he told the Nine network.

Skinheads wearing boots, braces and neo-Nazi emblems were among the protestors. Three far-right organisations: "Australia First Party", "Patriotic Youth League (PYL) and the Newcastle-based "Blood and Honour" - all handed out pamphlets. PYL describes itself as a "radical nationalist" group with links to the German-based skinhead group Volksfront, British Nationalist Party and the New Zealand National Front.


This was not the 1960s or 70s, it happened late last year!! 5 years since Sydney held a worldwide participation of goodwill in its Olympic games.

The fact that you've decidedly gone overboard over a game proves my point!

3-1 (and with no hope of catching up).
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jaganath69



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahem,

You said that Italians would be copping a serve, physically as a result of the game. I contended that we are not a country that generally indulges in sport related violence. You came back, incorrectly I may add, mentioning 'Bondi', when in fact you meant the Cronulla riots. You have failed to show how this communal violence is in any way linked to sporting violence. You are just creating a straw man to attack without knowing the facts. Sure, I indulged in a pretty venomous ad hominem, but someone as clueless as yourself sets oneself up for such action.

Regardless, you acknowledge the participation of certain far-right groups in the Cronulla incident. You are correct inasmuch as there was a small contingent of mainly Australia First goons hoping to capitalise on the discord. Nevertheless, they did not lead the violence nor have they made much headway because of it. Fringe party that they are, its part and parcel of a pluralistic democracy. Even their pale-shaded predecessor, One Nation, faded after taking a few seats at the state level in another state, Queensland. That aside, it was predominantly a local issue with Cronulla residents objecting large numbers of Lebanese youth abusing beach goers. Examples of such were telling volunteer life-savers to get off 'their beach', calling women in bikinis sluts and threatening to rape them and playing soccer on the beach without consideration for the safety of others on the beach.

There were some violent, vile and disgusting episodes that day. It made me sad to be Australian, but they must be seen in the wider context. Lebanese gangs have acted with impunity in Sydney, largely thanks to the cowering of various NSW labor politicians whose financial support is reliant on that community. Crimes such as driveby shootings and gang rapes are synonymous with areas with large Lebanese populations. To put it into perspective for your ignorant ass, there were broader forces at work than just a bunch of angry anglo-Aussies.

Still, they seem to have taught you to use wikipedia at whatever agricultural college you went to. You seem to understand that a link to there can justify whatever your simple mind desires. What you have failed to do, however, is support your original premise that there will be any recrimination against the Italian community as a result of a football game. 3-1 my a$$, more like 2-0 to me with your latest own goal.
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itaewonguy



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Futooomsh wrote:
No two ways about it.....we were robbed, fair and square. Ref is an absolute joke. I daresay his 2006 World Cup reffing days are over.

Italy didn't deserve to win that.


and what you think australia did?
how many shots on goal did AUSTRALIA have?
mate ITALY smashed more shots on goal than a junkie shoots on a weekend!

ITALY should have won that 3:0 EASY!!!

that PK , yeah it sucks to lose that way.. but the ITALIANS have the experience they know how to make a PK happen! and its not by diving!
its by forcing an experienced defender to make a stupid move in the goal box as he did!! so by that result ITALY was awarded a PK!!
the defender should not have did what he did!! he should have known, in the box with a striker coming at you , thats a BIG NO NO!!
the REF was not on the side of the ITALIANS!! did you forget ITALY was playing with one man down!! the ITALIAN guy was sent off for NOTHING!!
that was a yellow card at best!! not a RED!!!
the ref was giving out cards like they were roomsalon flyers!!
the AUSSIES played WELL.. but at the end of the DAY the better team won!

IM ITALIAN/AUSTRALIAN!!
so its not like I didnt want to see the ROOS win.. I would have been happy for them as I am for ITALY.. but the fact is.. that is FOOTBALL
and thats how the ball rolls..
the italians are the better team!!
10men down and they still were dominating the game!!
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Billy Pilgrim



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaganath69 wrote:
Mitch Comestein wrote:
Please note the distinct difference between the way this thread and the behavior of the posters are treated and the way the Koreans are treated for doing the exact same thing.


Yeah, all us Aussies trying to bring down the fifa website, threatening to blow up the Italian Embassy in Canberra and demanding an appology from the governing body. Difference is we take defeat not as a gross insult to our people, nation and way of life, but as just another sporting event.


Just for a bit of perspective. BUT, to be honest, what follows is pretty tame and nothing to be all high and mighty about.

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Australian soccer fans vent anger at loss

9.30am Tuesday June 27, 2006


MELBOURNE - Angry soccer fans in Melbourne have hurled glass bottles and let off flares after Australia was eliminated from the World Cup by Italy earlier this morning, news agency AAP is reporting.

Most of the 10,000 soccer fans who had crammed into Federation Square in central Melbourne remained well behaved throughout the match, said the AAP report, but the mood turned nasty when Italy scored a last-gasp 1-0 victory today to secure a World Cup quarter-finals berth.

Shell-shocked fans watched big screens in disbelief as Francesco Totti's injury-time penalty killed the Socceroos' hopes of going through to the last eight.

Some Socceroos supporters vented their disappointment by throwing glass bottles at the big screen and stage area, narrowly missing security staff and media.

Other fans began kicking large plastic barricades placed around the stage area.

A flare was let off by a member of the crowd and landed on the roof of a building adjacent to the stage.

As fans began to make their way out of the area one man yelled "let's start a riot", according to AAP.

A fight broke out between a group of 15 soccer fans but was quickly brought under control by security staff and police.

More flares were let off along Swanston Street as the crowd began moving out of Federation Square.

Earlier at least four flares were let off when the match began.

"It seems to be that there are still those who insist on bringing them (flares)," Superintendent Mick Williams told AAP.

"I know there is a feeling out there that it is part of the soccer culture, but at the end of the day it is very dangerous."

Meanwhile, tens of thousands of football fans turned out all across Australia in the early hours of this morning to watch the Socceroos' heart-breaking World Cup exit.

Sydney had the largest gatherings.

There was a huge turnout in Leichhardt in Sydney's inner west - the home of the city's Italian community - where ABC Radio today reported 20,000 fans packed into Norton Street.

Rowdy Italian fans let off flares and hugged each other when the winning goal was scored, while despondent Australians skulked home after the game.

The crowds, meanwhile, were so big at Circular Quay that police were forced to ask late-arriving fans to go elsewhere.

The crowds had begun partying hours before the game began, intent on celebrating Australia's advance to a second round berth that few predicted before the tournament began in Germany.

In Norton Street, they crammed every vantage point to watch the game on a 10-metre screen, with those unable to find a spot at street level perching on balconies and shop roofs.

Prime Minister John Howard, in Indonesia on an official visit, was disappointed with the manner of the Socceroos' loss, ABC Radio reported this morning.

"I'm broken-hearted," he told reporters. "It's a very cruel way to lose, right on the knocker like that, but the team just played so bravely the whole match."
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Futooomsh



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rocklee wrote:
jaganath69 wrote:
rocklee wrote:
Does Bondi beach ring a bell for you?

How about you pull your f@ckin head out of the sand.


Try Cronulla, you factually challenged cretin. How that was related to sport, I will never know. It was a pent up reaction to a spate of thuggery by Lebanese gangs. What's more, if you new anything about the state of contemporary sports violence in Australia you'd remember it was the very same ethnic group, supporters of the Bulldogs Rugby League Club that have been responsible for about the only instance of it in recent years. But no, like every other undergrad f@ckstain w@nker just out of tw@t college in some welfare ridden sh1tehole in North America or New Zealand, you can make your d1ckhead assumptions on the snippet you read on cnn.com whilst sipping your latte in starbucks whilst on your gap year amongst the little people in Asia. Seriously mate, get a friggin grip and wake up to yourself, better still, give yourself an uppercut then go take a walk into the hall of mirrors and take a damn good look at your pathetic f#cken self. That is all.


What a load of crap.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Cronulla_riots_2_-_no_lebs.jpg

That says "No lebs", with the Australian flags drabbed on people's shoulders.

It takes a bunch of yobbos to spark off a riot of any kind in Australia just because "its their country". The incident at Cronulla (and Bondi beach) is but one of many dating all the way back to 2002 where Australian gangs had nothing better to do than to begin unncessary attacks on passing migrants.

Want more? At Cronulla :

Quote:

As the crowd marched along the beach and foreshore area, waving Australian flags, the crowd chanted racist slogans, with many wearing clothes bearing racist sentiment.

Middle Eastern men were openly targetted and assaulted. A young Muslim woman wearing a veil was chased into a kiosk on Cronulla beach. Police tried to move her away from the chanting crowd but were unable to reach the security of the command post. While the woman and police officers hid in the kiosk, a crowd surrounded the kiosk and shouted "Kill the Lebs", while others climbed on top of the kiosk.


And more :

Quote:

NSW Deputy Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione says police believed neo-Nazi and white nationalist groups were among the crowd. "That in fact is something that we're following up," he told the Nine network.

Skinheads wearing boots, braces and neo-Nazi emblems were among the protestors. Three far-right organisations: "Australia First Party", "Patriotic Youth League (PYL) and the Newcastle-based "Blood and Honour" - all handed out pamphlets. PYL describes itself as a "radical nationalist" group with links to the German-based skinhead group Volksfront, British Nationalist Party and the New Zealand National Front.


This was not the 1960s or 70s, it happened late last year!! 5 years since Sydney held a worldwide participation of goodwill in its Olympic games.

The fact that you've decidedly gone overboard over a game proves my point!

3-1 (and with no hope of catching up).



Dude, you are a complete tosser. Jaganath already mentioned the Cronulla Race Riots (note RACE RIOTS..NOT SPORTS RIOTS) and Lebanese gangs,....please read carefully in future prior to posting idiodic comments on which you know NOTHING about.


Jaganath...just ignore him from now on.....
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Noureli



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VIVA ITALIA VIVA ITALIA VIVA ITALIA
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korian



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

not one for usually joining in on knocking an idiot but i couldn't resist this one. as i'm from cronulla, grew up in cronulla and spent all my years until 26 in cronulla, i know a thing or two about cronulla.

the riots that happened last december were the culmination of about a decade of shamelessly provocative behaviour and taunting from lebanese gangs every summer. cronulla is the only beach in sydney with a train station running directly to the beach, thus from october to march every year lebanese gangs converge en masse to that part of sydney.

and every year it gets worse and worse and worse. and yes it is the lebanese gangs who are the instigators. just like they have pack raped girls across the western suburbs, done countless drive by shootings, rioted at footy matches etc etc.

the flame to the riots was, surprise surprise, a lebanse gang first playing soccer on the beach without regard or concern for anyone else nearby, and then bashing lifeguards on duty on the sunday afternoon. well guess what? people said enough is enough.

what ensued was neither pleasant nor warranted. and it made me sad it happened in my hometown. nonetheless, the seeds had been planted for over a decade by the lebanese gangs' behaviour year in year out.

so you do have no idea and you have proven yourself a tw$t. you best be careful before claiming to possess a modicum of intellect because you just might realise you don't you knucklehead.
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rocklee



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaganath69 wrote:
Ahem,

You said that Italians would be copping a serve, physically as a result of the game. I contended that we are not a country that generally indulges in sport related violence. You came back, incorrectly I may add, mentioning 'Bondi', when in fact you meant the Cronulla riots.


Um no sir, the Cronulla riots had to start from somewhere. The Bondi incident began way back in 2002 if I can recall correctly. Put simply, locals caused problems for newcomers, newcomers fought back, it goes on and on (not just with the lebonese but with the vietnamese too). You only just picked up yesterday's paper so I don't blame you for not knowing anything.

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You have failed to show how this communal violence is in any way linked to sporting violence. You are just creating a straw man to attack without knowing the facts. Sure, I indulged in a pretty venomous ad hominem, but someone as clueless as yourself sets oneself up for such action.


I have no comments for someone as vulgarly worded as you, it just means that you don't have the maturity to engage in any debate without preparing for some kind of backlash. You compare yourself as angelic to the Koreans who cried foul or threaten the swiss embassy. Fact is, they are not going to do that over a fucking soccer game. They are no run off the mill neo-nazis like the ones you see at Cronulla.

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Regardless, you acknowledge the participation of certain far-right groups in the Cronulla incident. You are correct inasmuch as there was a small contingent of mainly Australia First goons hoping to capitalise on the discord.


Small?? Fcuk that. A middle eastern woman was trapped in a kiosk praying for her life while grown men tried to beat the kiosk down. A jewish dude and his greek girl fell at the hands of these stooopid, pension-pushing, pot smoking, bali tripping, hanson loving dumbasses they call "Australians" including women and children. You tell me if you can be proud of this lot.

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Nevertheless, they did not lead the violence nor have they made much headway because of it. Fringe party that they are, its part and parcel of a pluralistic democracy. Even their pale-shaded predecessor, One Nation, faded after taking a few seats at the state level in another state, Queensland.


And these are your excuses? Lame.

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That aside, it was predominantly a local issue with Cronulla residents objecting large numbers of Lebanese youth abusing beach goers. Examples of such were telling volunteer life-savers to get off 'their beach', calling women in bikinis sluts and threatening to rape them and playing soccer on the beach without consideration for the safety of others on the beach.


Right, they are the cause of everything my ass. You have no evidence to support any of this, except for the fact that the life guards told them to piss off because they didn't like them kids playing soccer on the beach.

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There were some violent, vile and disgusting episodes that day. It made me sad to be Australian, but they must be seen in the wider context.


Again, you come to their defence in a hope to justify their actions? Yet you degrade the behaviour of others who are nowhere near as dangerous as these people? The drug addicts, the boonies, what do they live for on that beach?

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Lebanese gangs have acted with impunity in Sydney, largely thanks to the cowering of various NSW labor politicians whose financial support is reliant on that community. Crimes such as driveby shootings and gang rapes are synonymous with areas with large Lebanese populations. To put it into perspective for your ignorant ass, there were broader forces at work than just a bunch of angry anglo-Aussies.


Again, nothing to support your case. Australia has some of the largest number of mis former nazis and pedophiles in the world. Some of the harsest crimes were caused and committed by locals. These jokers like nothing better than to pick on minorities like second class citizens, but they can get away with it because "they're defending their country". That is probably your "broader forces at work" right there am I right?

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Still, they seem to have taught you to use wikipedia at whatever agricultural college you went to. You seem to understand that a link to there can justify whatever your simple mind desires. What you have failed to do, however, is support your original premise that there will be any recrimination against the Italian community as a result of a football game.


Keep throwing insults over here, one day you'll get yours back.

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3-1 my a$$, more like 2-0 to me with your latest own goal.


Ever wondered why Australia is years behind the world in Soccer? Its simple - the yobbos and centrelink pushers don't support it.

4-1.
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rocklee



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

korian wrote:
not one for usually joining in on knocking an idiot but i couldn't resist this one. as i'm from cronulla, grew up in cronulla and spent all my years until 26 in cronulla, i know a thing or two about cronulla.

the riots that happened last december were the culmination of about a decade of shamelessly provocative behaviour and taunting from lebanese gangs every summer. cronulla is the only beach in sydney with a train station running directly to the beach, thus from october to march every year lebanese gangs converge en masse to that part of sydney.

and every year it gets worse and worse and worse. and yes it is the lebanese gangs who are the instigators. just like they have pack raped girls across the western suburbs, done countless drive by shootings, rioted at footy matches etc etc.

the flame to the riots was, surprise surprise, a lebanse gang first playing soccer on the beach without regard or concern for anyone else nearby, and then bashing lifeguards on duty on the sunday afternoon. well guess what? people said enough is enough.

what ensued was neither pleasant nor warranted. and it made me sad it happened in my hometown. nonetheless, the seeds had been planted for over a decade by the lebanese gangs' behaviour year in year out.

so you do have no idea and you have proven yourself a tw$t. you best be careful before claiming to possess a modicum of intellect because you just might realise you don't you knucklehead.


Dude just shut up and go back to your hole.
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Mate, you've just proven what a complete & uninformed wanker you are. Why dont you stick to earning a pittance & teaching english, it's probably the only thing you are remotely good at (besides whinging, as we all know that's a pasty Pom's favourite pastime)

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*beep* you.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Australians played well, but you forget that the Italians were somewhat dominating before the crazy ref went overkill and threw Materazzi out of the game. So if the Italians did not lose player number 11, that would have increased their chances at scoring without a penalty. Italy had to be on the defensive and was probably thinking a penalty was going to, perhaps, be a way for them to score. The Australians played relatively well before the Italian was ejected. I would rather have not had the ejection and seen the two squads play the way it should have been played.

I am glad the Italian squad won... But I like how the Australians played as well...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
Futooomsh wrote:
No two ways about it.....we were robbed, fair and square. Ref is an absolute joke. I daresay his 2006 World Cup reffing days are over.

Italy didn't deserve to win that.


and what you think australia did?
how many shots on goal did AUSTRALIA have?
mate ITALY smashed more shots on goal than a junkie shoots on a weekend!

ITALY should have won that 3:0 EASY!!!

that PK , yeah it sucks to lose that way.. but the ITALIANS have the experience they know how to make a PK happen! and its not by diving!
its by forcing an experienced defender to make a stupid move in the goal box as he did!! so by that result ITALY was awarded a PK!!
the defender should not have did what he did!! he should have known, in the box with a striker coming at you , thats a BIG NO NO!!
the REF was not on the side of the ITALIANS!! did you forget ITALY was playing with one man down!! the ITALIAN guy was sent off for NOTHING!!
that was a yellow card at best!! not a RED!!!
the ref was giving out cards like they were roomsalon flyers!!
the AUSSIES played WELL.. but at the end of the DAY the better team won!

IM ITALIAN/AUSTRALIAN!!
so its not like I didnt want to see the ROOS win.. I would have been happy for them as I am for ITALY.. but the fact is.. that is FOOTBALL
and thats how the ball rolls..
the italians are the better team!!
10men down and they still were dominating the game!!



You know what is funny. I think the Australian who did the best in that game was an Australian of Italian descent - Bresciano. I do think the Italian squad would have won with 11 players and it is easy to get upset with the ref about the penalty and ignore the fact that Materazzi got a red that wasn't really necessary. I also think Cahill also got an unecessary yellow card when he didn't really hit the Italian.
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