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ejmlab



Joined: 17 Feb 2005
Location: Pohang

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:18 pm    Post subject: Monkey Comments Reply with quote

I've been showing my high school students the movie Napolean Dynamite this week (the week before final exams) and I've noticed that when Kip (Napolean's older brother) greets his girlfriend Lafawnduh off of the bus that my students have a bit of a meltdown (She's a black lady). I've even heard a couple of "monkey" comments. It immediately raises my "ire" but I haven't addressed the issue because I feel that the movie deals with the subject quite well. This isn't the first time in the past couple of weeks that I've heard the monkey comment. Two weeks ago I was doing a World Cup lesson and the book had a picture of Henri heading the ball. It was right around the Togo game and I heard a few students make the monkey comment. I read another thread in which someone mentioned a World Cup skit on Korean TV portraying the Togo team as monkeys. It's really shocking to me because my students are usually very good, academic oriented and realtively worldly (a few in each class have lived abroad for extended periods of time). Has anybody experienced these monkey comments lately? If so how have you dealt with them?

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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you follow Korean bulletin boards, you can find many comments comparing Japanese to monkeys. For some reason, Koreans feel it's a huge insult to Japanese to call them monkeys.

I like to tell people who say that if the Japanese are monkeys then how does it feel to have been ruled over by monkeys for decades? Them must be some special kind of monkeys.
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ejmlab



Joined: 17 Feb 2005
Location: Pohang

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm...interesting. So is the monkey comment just a general term of derision amongst Koreans. I know I've heard it before but since World Cup began I've been hearing it frequently.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogbert wrote:
I like to tell people who say that if the Japanese are monkeys then how does it feel to have been ruled over by monkeys for decades?


Ouch.
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Newbie



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been called monkey once or twice just as a result of showing my arm hair (and I am far from hairy)

Don't be surprised when it comes from kids, it happends all over the world. It's when the adults are still doing it that you have to wonder.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newbie wrote:
I've been called monkey once or twice just as a result of showing my arm hair (and I am far from hairy)

Don't be surprised when it comes from kids, it happends all over the world. It's when the adults are still doing it that you have to wonder.


Exactly. Kids are kids, adults, well, should be adults.
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doggyji



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogbert wrote:
If you follow Korean bulletin boards, you can find many comments comparing Japanese to monkeys. For some reason, Koreans feel it's a huge insult to Japanese to call them monkeys.

I like to tell people who say that if the Japanese are monkeys then how does it feel to have been ruled over by monkeys for decades? Them must be some special kind of monkeys.


Koreans -> the Japanese

쪽바리, 몽키, 원숭이, 열도인, 왜국인, 난쟁이, 낫토인...

The Japanese -> Koreans

춍, 조선인, 김치 ( ), 열등한 ( )...

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thursdays child



Joined: 21 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm always calling kids monkeys - coz they're ALWAYS touching each other and picking at each other..... drives me bananas.
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ejmlab



Joined: 17 Feb 2005
Location: Pohang

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't be surprised when it comes from kids, it happends all over the world. It's when the adults are still doing it that you have to wonder.


Yeah, I've actually been called monkey before because of my hairy arms but it was usually elementary students. As I mentioned in my original post I haven't reacted to the situation in class because I don't want to make a big deal out of it. Overall, my students are pretty conscientious and I tend to think that the comments are somehow connected to the portrayal of the Togo team as monkeys.
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stumptown



Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Paju: Wife beating capital of Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thursdays child wrote:
I'm always calling kids monkeys - coz they're ALWAYS touching each other and picking at each other..... drives me bananas.


Me too, but as a result I've had a few students quit because it pi$$ed off their parents. Little did they know that I meant it as a joke on their behavior and not something racial.
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If kids saying someone is a monkey is stressful and aggravating to you, it sounds like you have it pretty good...
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

djsmnc wrote:
If kids saying someone is a monkey is stressful and aggravating to you, it sounds like you have it pretty good...


You're oversimplifying what was said. The complaint was about the overt racism, expressed in the form of calling black people monkeys. Many people from western countries worry about racism, and consider it a topic worthy of serious discussion.



As for the monkey phenomenon, it seems to be a popular insult. I've heard all kinds of people called monkeys by my students, and by some adults. I'm not sure what it stems from. Beliefs of racial superiority? A cultural joke about monkeys? Hmm..
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogbert wrote:

I like to tell people who say that if the Japanese are monkeys then how does it feel to have been ruled over by monkeys for decades? Them must be some special kind of monkeys.


How do you say "Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!" in Korean?


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Billy Pilgrim



Joined: 08 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think anyone can argue that Koreans aren't racist when it comes to African countries. Hopefully a bit more exposure to the outside world will fix them, but until then, I say come down hard on any students who suggest it.
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Natalia



Joined: 10 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
Newbie wrote:
I've been called monkey once or twice just as a result of showing my arm hair (and I am far from hairy)

Don't be surprised when it comes from kids, it happends all over the world. It's when the adults are still doing it that you have to wonder.


Exactly. Kids are kids, adults, well, should be adults.


Two of my co-teachers encouraged the students to call the entire Togo team monkeys - and far worse. They also told them they should be afraid of African people because they are like monsters.
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