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SOOHWA101
Joined: 04 Mar 2006
Location: Makin moves...trying to find 24pyung
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| Well so many people on this board are able to read Arab and Muslim minds, perhaps ESL teachers in Korea have been blessed with a special superpower to do this. Its funny how so many people know exactly what these Muslims are planning why aren't they all signning up to their respective armies and going to join the fight. If I was able to read Saddam's mind like some on this Board I would be signed up right away! |
Let me guess, you are the type of person who doesn't lock your doors at night, buy insurence, or save money for a rainy day. Doing these things would be thinking ahead and using your pre-frontal cortex. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:09 pm Post subject: ... |
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| Were you one of those people in 2003 painting pictures of doom if we didn't invade Iraq by tomorrow afternoon? |
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SOOHWA101
Joined: 04 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
| Were you one of those people in 2003 painting pictures of doom if we didn't invade Iraq by tomorrow afternoon? |
Absolutely not! Not all Americans believe in that war. Especially not now with so many lives lost. However, my Conservative theory on the Middle East might disgust you none-the-less. Boots on the gorund was not what I had in mind, nor for my brother who is over there right now. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:16 am Post subject: |
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The Bush doctrine is the problem. Horrible and cataclysmic (sp) precedent. Attack others on the presumption of what they MIGHT have or MIGHT do..........so logical.
Unfortunately, not enough are crying about this and yes, could be duped again with polemic arguements of hidden potential, new attacks on America being planned, the next terrorist act was Iranian sponsored etc........scary.
The Bush doctrine was written on toilet paper, used toilet paper. Others better wake up and smell this ........
DD |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| More importantly perhaps.. what are the consequences of not intervening? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
The Bush doctrine is the problem. Horrible and cataclysmic (sp) precedent. Attack others on the presumption of what they MIGHT have or MIGHT do..........so logical.
DD |
Except Iran does have a nuclear program.
Try again. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| So does Pakistan, India, Israel, China, Britain, France, USA and Russia. Why is it that only the US gets to determine who should have them? (I should point out that I don't think anyone should have them, no matter who they are.) |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| So does Pakistan, India, Israel, China, Britain, France, USA and Russia. Why is it that only the US gets to determine who should have them? |
You'd trust Iran with the bomb? |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| Except Iran does have a nuclear program. |
Peaceful I might add. As peaceful as any other or actually, much more peaceful......stop the fear mongering my friend.
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| So does Pakistan, India, Israel, China, Britain, France, USA and Russia. Why is it that only the US gets to determine who should have them? (I should point out that I don't think anyone should have them, no matter who they are.) |
Because its power politics, not sharing time at kindergarten.
Oh, right, and Iran has treaty obligations.
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The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, also Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT or NNPT) is an international treaty, opened for signature on July 1, 1968 to limit the spread of nuclear weapons. 188 sovereign states are parties to the treaty, however, two (India and Pakistan) out of seven confirmed nuclear powers (i.e., those that have openly tested nuclear weapons), and one possible nuclear power (Israel) have not ratified the treaty. Another self-proclaimed nuclear power (North Korea) has withdrawn. The treaty was proposed by Ireland, and Finland was the first to sign. In New York City, on May 11, 1995, the parties to the treaty decided by consensus to extend the treaty indefinitely and without conditions.
The treaty is often summarised as having three pillars: non-proliferation, disarmament, and the right to peacefully use nuclear technology |
Note that the US has offered Tehran a deal to work within the frameworks of NPT. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| I don't trust Iran with bomb and I don't trust the US with the bomb, and since they are the only country to ever actually use the weapon so should you. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| So what, people break agreements all the time, didn't the US pull out of a treaty with Russia to build its foolish space based weapons program? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| So what, people break agreements all the time, didn't the US pull out of a treaty with Russia to build its foolish space based weapons program? |
Yes, it did. But that was a bilateral treaty. Iran would be violating the framework of NPT, meaning it would be violating its agreement with 187 other nations. I'm not defending what Bush did, but it is one thing to say that Iran should not be trusted because of its prior actions, and it is another thing to say that what Iran does is okay because the US did something remotely like it.
If you are trying to throw aspersion on my opinion that Iran is dangerous by saying the current US administration holds the same views, and look at what they have done in the past, you should remember a few things. First, just because I agree with the Bush administration on one matter does not make my belief wrong, even if the Bush administration has done many things wrong. Secondly, the Bush administration is not the only power in the world distressed at Iran's behavior. Third, how far do you want to twist your own principles to defend Iran? Bashing Bush is not worth all this effort, that you must agree with Iran because Iran is against Bush. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not Bush bashing, I'm merely trying to point out that the person/people who lead the charge for non-prolifilation should not be the country with the largest and most advanced nuclear weapons arsenal in the world. Also, the Bush Crime Family used up all its credibility and currency when it told us that we should fear a mushroom cloud over Cleveland caused by Saddam. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| I'm not Bush bashing, I'm merely trying to point out that the person/people who lead the charge for non-prolifilation should not be the country with the largest and most advanced nuclear weapons arsenal in the world. Also, the Bush Crime Family used up all its credibility and currency when it told us that we should fear a mushroom cloud over Cleveland caused by Saddam. |
Again, read my entire post.
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| Secondly, the Bush administration is not the only power in the world distressed at Iran's behavior. |
The Germans appear less than confident in Iran's willingness to negotiate and demonstrate under NPT obligations that their program is peaceful.
Meanwhile, France has threatened to retaliate against terror strikes with nuclear weapons. You don't threaten NGOs with nuclear retaliation, you threaten states employing terrorism.
Another gem from the above article:
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The director general of the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Mohamed ElBaradei, said Iran could have a weapon within months once it gets the nuclear fuel for it.
"If they have the nuclear material and they have a parallel weaponization program along the way, they are really not very far � a few months � from a weapon," he told Newsweek. |
That was Mohammed ElBaradei, who told everyone upon receiving the Nobel Peace Prize that he speaks truth to power.
And British UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw also has problems with the Iranian government's behavior.
So, don't moan on and on about Bush when I'm not listening to his concerns alone, I'm listening to the entire world's concerns. |
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