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Fast food/cigarettes, should both carry health warnings?
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Fast food/cigarettes, should both carry health warnings?
Yes
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No
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
One is the immediate effect. Fast food doesn't hurt other people around them (though a massive fart might be disruptive) but smoking physically harms others around them.
Second, you can eat a hamburger and a small fry and not be to far over what people would eat at home.
Third, what about a mom and pop diner? A hot chicken sandwich with fries all covered in gravy ain't much better Wink also many so called "health" foods nowadays aren't healthy at all.

I could go on, but the health care argument isn't strong enough for a tax to be implemented.


Obesity is an epidemic and there is a massive hit to the healthcare system.

WHO - Obesity and overweight

Facts

- Globally, there are more than 1 billion overweight adults, at least 300 million of them obese.

- Obesity and overweight pose a major risk for chronic diseases, including type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, hypertension and stroke, and certain forms of cancer.

- The key causes are increased consumption of energy-dense foods high in saturated fats and sugars, and reduced physical activity.

Obesity has reached epidemic proportions globally, with more than 1 billion adults overweight - at least 300 million of them clinically obese - and is a major contributor to the global burden of chronic disease and disability. Often coexisting in developing countries with under-nutrition, obesity is a complex condition, with serious social and psychological dimensions, affecting virtually all ages and socioeconomic groups.

http://www.who.int/dietphysicalactivity/publications/facts/obesity/en/
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's various issues at play here.

1. Cigarettes are harmful in any quantity. Food is not. A tax on fast food also punishes the person who eats the odd hamburger.
2. Has putting warning labels on cigarettes really stopped anyone from smoking them? "Gee whillikers--lookit this--and I thought cigarettes were full of vitamin C!" Are the people who live on big macs going to read this fine print on the box?
3. We always hear the argument trotted out that 'people getting sick from x drive up our health insurance costs'. But this is a slippery slope. Should we punish anyone who drives a car, eats chicken wings, doesn't do pushups, or plays cards on Sundays because it increases health costs? Furthermore, people already pay far more in taxes on cigarettes than they take away in increased health services.

Overall, to me it's a band-aid solution, and broader solutions are needed, such as:
1. Making it possible to walk. Many modern American cities are so built around cars that there's no sidewalks left. Mandatorize pedestrian and bicycle access to all public buildings, including stores and shopping malls. No exceptions.
2. Mandatorize increased physical education classes in schools.
3. Prohibition of soda drinks in public schools.
4. Refusal of business licenses to fast-food restaurants next to schools.
5. A public health campaign.

I haven't eaten at a McDonald's since 1986. But as a Canadian, the idea of paying tax #22,312 on a hamburger sets a bad precedent to me. Butter will be next, and then chocolate, and then donuts.

Ken:>
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SirFink



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Warning labels remind me of the "don't try this at home, kids" you see on so many stunt shows and pro wrestling. If someone's stupid enough to jump off their roof with an umbrella thinking they'll fly, then are they really going to listen to someone on TV telling them not to?

I suppose it's ultimately put there by lawyers hoping it will be good enough to convince stupid jurors when the law suits come pouring in. "Well gee whiz, McDonald's did warn people not to eat their food, so I guess they're off the hook...."
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peemil



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like paying for old people to extend their time through modern technology at the expense of taxpayers.

In my world, if you're too old for the boat and are just a vegetable, its time to get thrown overboard.

If you use that argument about using tax payers dollars to pay for the obese, then we could quite possibly extend it to lots of other things.

It's a slippery slope.
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AbbeFaria



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The comparison of fast food resturants to mom and pop diners and other real restaurants isn't valid. We've had neighborhood eateries for centuries. We didn't start having a problem with obesity until the late 70's. Fast food is not the only problem though. You can actually chart the rise in obesity to the rise in the use of high fructose corn syrup in almost everything we buy and eat. And I bet the lady who lost weight on the McD's diet had cholesterol through the roof. You can be stick thin and have enough cholesterol to choke a cow. She's probably a prime candidate for a heart attack or heart disease.

Also, for those Supersize Me and Fast Food Nation fans, I give you: http://www.fastfoodnation-movie.com/trailer.php

I'm gonna watch. The book almost single-handedly got me off fast food. Sadly I've still got a weakness for Taco Bell, but there's none to be had in Korea so I'm safe.

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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AbbeFaria wrote:
The comparison of fast food resturants to mom and pop diners and other real restaurants isn't valid. We've had neighborhood eateries for centuries. We didn't start having a problem with obesity until the late 70's. Fast food is not the only problem though. You can actually chart the rise in obesity to the rise in the use of high fructose corn syrup in almost everything we buy and eat. And I bet the lady who lost weight on the McD's diet had cholesterol through the roof. You can be stick thin and have enough cholesterol to choke a cow. She's probably a prime candidate for a heart attack or heart disease.

Also, for those Supersize Me and Fast Food Nation fans, I give you: http://www.fastfoodnation-movie.com/trailer.php

I'm gonna watch. The book almost single-handedly got me off fast food. Sadly I've still got a weakness for Taco Bell, but there's none to be had in Korea so I'm safe.

�S�


Where would you stop? You would definitely have to tax buffets too if you started taxing fast food restaurants. And then when people start going to mom and pop diners more often, with their (most definitely) less than healthy menus we will have to tax those. Then also what about grocery stores (in Canada, like Sobeys or The Superstore) who sell pizzas and fried chicken just like fast food restaurants. etc etc etc See why this won't work.
The comparison between cigarettes and food is incorrect. We can and do tax ALL cigarettes. But we wouldn't and couldn't do that with food. The cigarette issue is black and white, where the food one is not and a very slippery slope.
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AbbeFaria



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
AbbeFaria wrote:
The comparison of fast food resturants to mom and pop diners and other real restaurants isn't valid. We've had neighborhood eateries for centuries. We didn't start having a problem with obesity until the late 70's. Fast food is not the only problem though. You can actually chart the rise in obesity to the rise in the use of high fructose corn syrup in almost everything we buy and eat. And I bet the lady who lost weight on the McD's diet had cholesterol through the roof. You can be stick thin and have enough cholesterol to choke a cow. She's probably a prime candidate for a heart attack or heart disease.

Also, for those Supersize Me and Fast Food Nation fans, I give you: http://www.fastfoodnation-movie.com/trailer.php

I'm gonna watch. The book almost single-handedly got me off fast food. Sadly I've still got a weakness for Taco Bell, but there's none to be had in Korea so I'm safe.

�S�


Where would you stop? You would definitely have to tax buffets too if you started taxing fast food restaurants. And then when people start going to mom and pop diners more often, with their (most definitely) less than healthy menus we will have to tax those. Then also what about grocery stores (in Canada, like Sobeys or The Superstore) who sell pizzas and fried chicken just like fast food restaurants. etc etc etc See why this won't work.
The comparison between cigarettes and food is incorrect. We can and do tax ALL cigarettes. But we wouldn't and couldn't do that with food. The cigarette issue is black and white, where the food one is not and a very slippery slope.


I think maybe you quoted the wrong person. I never said anything about taxing anyone on anything. My comment was only as a rebuttal in lumping real restaurants with fast food chains as a cause in the rise of obesity. Food made at real restaurants tends to be cooked from scratch, which means no freaky additives, perservatives, chemicals and all the other stuff that comes along with pre-packaged food. Those tax your body in a major way. Your kidney's and liver have to work overtime to filter all that junk out. Where as with food from scratch, you've just got what humans have always been eating. Granted some of it might have been sprayed with pesticides or the meat injected with hormones, but that's part and parcel of the same problem.

Even including that however, your average meal at a restaurant versus McD's or Jack in the Crack (whose food killed 12 or 13 kids back in the early to mid-90's by the way�gotta love e-coli) is still going to come in healthier. It might have a high fat content depending on what you order, but that's pretty much all you have to worry about. The more processed a food is the more flat-out unhealthy it becomes for your body. Fast food is as processed as you can get. It's designed from the ground up to be made fast and cheap and delicious. It's sweetly-flavored poison. But if I'm an advocate for legalizing most drugs, I can't harp on fast food for what they do. I'm all for calling a spade a spade though. Their food is a product of chemical engineering. There is nothing healthy or nutritious about it.

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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AbbeFaria wrote:


I think maybe you quoted the wrong person. I never said anything about taxing anyone on anything. My comment was only as a rebuttal in lumping real restaurants with fast food chains as a cause in the rise of obesity. Food made at real restaurants tends to be cooked from scratch, which means no freaky additives, perservatives, chemicals and all the other stuff that comes along with pre-packaged food. Those tax your body in a major way. Your kidney's and liver have to work overtime to filter all that junk out. Where as with food from scratch, you've just got what humans have always been eating. Granted some of it might have been sprayed with pesticides or the meat injected with hormones, but that's part and parcel of the same problem.

Even including that however, your average meal at a restaurant versus McD's or Jack in the Crack (whose food killed 12 or 13 kids back in the early to mid-90's by the way�gotta love e-coli) is still going to come in healthier. It might have a high fat content depending on what you order, but that's pretty much all you have to worry about. The more processed a food is the more flat-out unhealthy it becomes for your body. Fast food is as processed as you can get. It's designed from the ground up to be made fast and cheap and delicious. It's sweetly-flavored poison. But if I'm an advocate for legalizing most drugs, I can't harp on fast food for what they do. I'm all for calling a spade a spade though. Their food is a product of chemical engineering. There is nothing healthy or nutritious about it.

�S�[/i]


sorry Embarassed
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AbbeFaria



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
sorry Embarassed


s'all good Wink

�S�
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Corporal



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

matthews_world wrote:
Mexicans drink Coke and Pepsi, generally, before they drink their own water.


That's actually not such a bad idea, considering the quality of Mexican water.
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Dev



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No warning labels. Anyone with common sense knows that fast food and cigs are bad for you. Anyone without common sense deserves to die.

What needs warning labels is any food containing trans fats. Trans fats are life threatening and are in many kinds of procerssed foods. People need to know which foods. Even seemingly innocent snacks like cookies could have trans fats.

You've got to give the Koreans credit for one thing. They don't drink all that soda beep that we do back home. When I see customers at the supermarket put 2L bottles of that on the belt at checkout, I just want to smack them! Smile
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