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TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

[Do native French teachers back home get to dress up like gendarmes and direct traffic at French festivals? No. Do native Chinese teachers back home get to dress up in and sell what westerners would consider to be typical Chinese clothing? ]

So if it's not done exactly the way it would be back home, it's not worth it right? Rolling Eyes

Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:24 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

So if it's not done exactly the way it would be back home, it's not worth it right? Rolling Eyes

If it's done in such a way that we're treated like language clowns, then no. If they're so interested in western culture then perhaps they could learn a lesson in what westerners who actually want to be teachers will and will not do.

laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:27 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

So if it's not done exactly the way it would be back home, it's not worth it right? Rolling Eyes

I think what Yu_Bum_suk was hinting towards is we would never ask a professional to do something they thought is demeaning (well almost never) and he shouldn't have to do it here. I do think selling shirts is demeaning. Playing with the children in a suit, I actually like doing that. Selling shirts, I never look down on people due to my education, EVER! (unlike many on this board) but I still didn't put myself through 5 years of uni to sell shirts.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject:

laogaiguk wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

So if it's not done exactly the way it would be back home, it's not worth it right? Rolling Eyes

Neither did I...it's only four hours or less. And I get EIGHT hours of paid leave for that.

The key word is professional. How many people back home with a B.A are considered professionals? You (generic you not YOU specifically) are not considered a professional back home with that degree and neither are you considered a professional here. The Gyenoggi-Do term for us is not teacher but ASSISTANT TEACHERS (kind of like a T.A back home).
If we are going to use the standards of "back home" then everyone here who is teaching should have a B. Ed. minimum.

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TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

So if it's not done exactly the way it would be back home, it's not worth it right? Rolling Eyes

The majority of westerners teaching here neither want to be teachers nor are they back home.

livinginkorea

Joined: 11 Jun 2004
Location: Korea, South of the border

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject:

True there are so many clowns here and the sad fact is that GEPIK can keep changing the contract and making it worse because they know more clowns are on the way. Pity that there is only a few decent teachers here.

laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

laogaiguk wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

So if it's not done exactly the way it would be back home, it's not worth it right? Rolling Eyes

Actually, I am with a computer science degree majoring in Information Systems, though I am not a professional teacher. I am still a professional though Wink

livinginkorea

Joined: 11 Jun 2004
Location: Korea, South of the border

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject:

laogaiguk wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

So if it's not done exactly the way it would be back home, it's not worth it right? Rolling Eyes

Well said. It appeals to some people who want to be clowns but not to others.

laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

So if it's not done exactly the way it would be back home, it's not worth it right? Rolling Eyes

The majority of westerners teaching here neither want to be teachers nor are they back home.

While I am the complete opposite (saving for a BEd or PGCE), I do agree with you.

Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

laogaiguk wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

So if it's not done exactly the way it would be back home, it's not worth it right? Rolling Eyes

I was a teaching assistant back home and if the departmental chair had ever asked me to take my students to an English literature fair and sell T-shirts I would have said 'no that's ridiculous', even if it meant four hours less work.

...is not culturally relative.

Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject:

Quote Y BS

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Enjoy the English circus

I will, and thanks for working all night without pay to get it all ready for me.

Quote Laigaiguk:

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Playing with the children in a suit, I actually like doing that.

Really? no way I would. But seeing as you're into it, I think this would fit your size:

Quote urban m

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So if it's not done exactly the way it would be back home, it's not worth it right?

Lets face it, teachers land easy jobs here solely because they look different/speak English. Is anyone contributing to this thread a real teacher? With teaching qualifications? I doubt it. You landed a job here because koreans are starving hungry for cultural exchange and the sound of a native speakers voice. Havng played your drawcard "I was born in an english-speaking country" to get the job, they suddenly want to withdraw that quality when its needed, and be treated exactly as if they were Korean.

Of course we should maintain our dignity. So far I have only agreed to do what the koreans are doing- in fact far less. I turned down the "make the kids laugh and greet them" role for a more educational one.

The purpose of this english day is to allow kids from schools without Native teachers to interract with and get a chance to speak English to a westerner. They're trying to instill a cross-cultural exchange into the kids. Thats not wrong in a country like this.
Of course I'd refuse to dress as a policeman and direct traffic. Koreans pose a lot of ideas for the day: you just have to express what you think is a good plan, and they'll go along with it. Don't know about the rest of you, I haven't sensed any malicious or racist intent on the part of my school.

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TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:31 am Post subject:

Junior wrote:

. Is anyone contributing to this thread a real teacher? With teaching qualifications? .

(Raises hand)

Actually there are a few teachers here who were teachers back home. Mr. Homer and Mr. Satori come to mind.

But you make a good point. Most people find work as a teacher here because the standards are lower. Then when they get treated by those lower standards they suddenly insist that they want to be treated by higher standards such as those back home. To those people I say: If you want to be treated by higher standards be sure you measure up to those higher standards yourself.

That is all.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:33 am Post subject:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

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...is not culturally relative.

I totally agree. And that is why I initially refused until I got those eight hours of paid leave. It all depends on what is important to you.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:23 am Post subject:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

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I was a teaching assistant back home and if the departmental chair had ever asked me to take my students to an English literature fair and sell T-shirts I would have said 'no that's ridiculous', even if it meant four hours less work.

...is not culturally relative.

I was a teacher back home and if the principal had ever asked me to take some of my students on a overnight trip I would have said "no way" And that would go double for a week long field trip to another country.

I guess we have different interpretations on what a "spine" means.

antoniothegreat

Joined: 28 Aug 2005
Location: Yangpyeong

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:40 am Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

antoniothegreat wrote:

i would just say, if you dont want to go, accidentally get lost on the way. the odds are they will give you directions in korean...

last year we had a stupid meeting in suwon, i live 2 hours from there, the meeting started at 2, and was supposed to end at 6, the last bus to my town was at 6 as well, they gave me a sheet saying where to go that was written in korean. well, i just couldnt get the taxi driver to find the place, so i couldnt go... so sad.

someone else said this, really, what can they do? and if you do go, pocket a few shirts for your trouble...

I'm going with my supervisor, so I can't use the excuse that I got lost.

What can they do? Not renew your contract...and I have a really good relationship with this school...it's a shame GEPIK has to do its best to ruin it.

I would hope they would not refuse to renew your contract simply because of one thing. that would be sad.

i am curious though... has anyone been teaching any material that will be relavent to this camp? i dont teach elementary school, but i am just curious how a bunch of little kids that speak almost no english are supposed to be able to buy t-shirts and talk to a police officer.

When exactly is this camp as well? because if it is after 5 pm, dont they have to pay you some kind of overtime? i imagine this would be included in our contracts, but they must provide/compensate for transportation and overtime work. right?

lastly, does anyone know who planned this thing? i can understand they want foreigners for the cultural part, but i wonder if somehow this is going to get messed up in a way only Koreans know how. Like lots of little things that they assume the rest of the world is like Korea? will they order small size shirts instead of small? at lunch will there be a section for boys and girls (because obviously all countries seperate the sexes) and lastly, will the kids actually speak english, or will they just say "티셔트 주세요. 비그 사이즈" and then laugh and run away???

that being sayed, thank god i dont have to do this...thank god i am not in EPIK/GEPIK

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