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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:06 pm Post subject: America;s Unsung Renaissance.... |
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more reasons why liberal Euros despise America......
The American dream has come true
Why does modern America
have so few cheerleaders? william langley returns from the US smitten again
Eyes glazed with disbelief, Bill Bratton, the world's most famous cop, ended a visit to London last week with: "Shame on you, the public of this country."
The immediate reason for Bratton's indignation was the row over a raid, based on faulty information, by anti-terrorist officers on a house in east London. The air was thick with accusation, demands for apologies, and lawyerly calculations of how many hundreds of thousands in compensation the property's Muslim residents should be entitled to.
Bratton, architect of the New York crime miracle of the 1990s, now delivering similar results in Los Angeles (crime down 11 per cent in the past six months), has understandably had enough of Britain. We keep asking him how to tackle crime, and when he tells us to encourage civic
Bratton has had enough of Britain. When he tells us how to tackle crime, we ignore him.
responsibility, be merciless on minor offenders, and build more prisons for serious ones we choose to ignore him.
He shouldn't take it personally. Most of the world is ignoring the lessons of America's remarkable cultural renaissance, of which dramatic falls in crime are only a part.
It is much easier, and far more fashionable, to portray the United States as a dying empire mired in a misbegotten war, outstripped economically by China, and unable to keep even tin-pot states like North Korea in line.
Yet on a recent trip back to Washington DC where I lived for the Clinton years, it was impossible to escape the good news. Almost all of America's important social indicators - the measures of the true health of a nation - are pointing in the right direction.
Welfare cases have fallen by an astounding 60 per cent in the last decade. Marriage is growing in popularity, while divorce rates, having soared in the Sixties and Seventies, are falling - as are the rates of teenage pregnancy, drug use and suicide. Alcoho lconsumption among the young has fallen by 31 per cent since the mid-Eighties, and smoking by almost 50 per cent.
Young Americans are discovering sex later than their parents, and have fewer partners. A new, virtuous, generation is emerging.
Educational achievement, particularly among minorities, is rising, and the philanthropic instincts of the rich - as witnessed by last week's $31 billion gift to charity by legendary investor Warren Buffet - are resolute.
Crime rates, not only in New York but across the country, continue to decline rapidly. According to the Department of Justice, violent offences overall have dropped by 55 per cent since 1993, while teenage offending is down by 71 per cent.
Property crimes are at their lowest level since Federal statistics began in the early Seventies. Beyond the lawless pockets of a few big cities, America is now one of the least crime-troubled societies on earth.
How has all this happened? And why, amid the relentless onslaught of America-bashing, do we hear so little about it?
A new generation of virtuous Americans is emerging, who lead more responsible, organised lives
The New York Times commentator David Brooks gives a simple explanation: "People have stopped believing in stupid ideas; that the traditional family is obsolete, that drugs are liberating, that it is every adolescent's social duty to rebel."
This is essentially correct. From the Sixties onwards, America witnessed widespread social decay in the form of family break-up, drug tolerance and attacks, in the name of liberal values, on what had traditionally been viewed as the parameters of decency. A new generation of Americans, having seen and reviewed the results, wants to change things.
"Americans today," says Brooks, "are leading more responsible, organised lives. The result is an improvement in social order."
You feel it everywhere. In the courteousness and generosity of ordinary Americans, and the pride they have in their country. We don't hear much about it, because it doesn't fit our Euro-jaundiced view of what the United States is. And when someone like Bratton offers us a helping hand we prefer to ignore it.
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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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Dude,
As most posters here are well aware, I am far from being a bleeding heart liberal. However, this article reaks of the kind of hubris and faeces that permeates journalism on the right these days. Fallacious to say the least, it makes a strawman of the one-off case of the raid on (innocent) people believed guilty of terrorism in London and then somehow connects this to the preposterous assertion that the US is a crime-free utopia. Whoever is responsible for this undergraduate bilge should be hauled back off to journo school and reschooled, asap. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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American re-birth... More like American abortion. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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A new generation of virtuous Americans is emerging, who lead more responsible, organised lives |
Sounds like something Pat Buchanan might say.......illusions of moral superiority. Much like the Nazi's and their notion of the white, morally superior Aryan race.
UGH>>>>>>>> this article is grade school.
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:25 am Post subject: |
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btw, this was written by a British man....
America is indeed healing itself from the social and cultural upheaval of the 60's and 70's, most social indicators are pointing in a healthy direction. Crime, divorce, teen pregnancies, and abortion rates are all heading down. Educational attainment, marriage, home ownership rates have been rising.
As an American, this pleases me, feel free to come to any bizarre conclusion as you'd like, but America has never been so strong, deal with it.
And it is growing by some 20,000,000 people a decade. Compare that to European countries which are barely treading water even while they see record levels of unassimilating immigrants.
And ddeubel, to compare an increasingly multi-racial/ethnic nation like America with Nazi Germany just shows how idiotic people on the left are these days.
Happy Fourth of July all, I'm sure the next 230 years will be as interesting and fruitful for America as the last- |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:08 am Post subject: |
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And ddeubel, to compare an increasingly multi-racial/ethnic nation like America with Nazi Germany just shows how idiotic people on the left are these days. |
Please read more carefully. I wasn't comparing America to the Nazi's -- I was comparing the articles presumptions and in particular Pat Buchanan, white bread, church going, virtuous, without moral defect American fantasy and the Nazi notion of moral and racial purity.
Not comparing America at all.....the article reeks of puritanical notions and nonsense -- responsible, virtuous, organized citizens!!! Sounds like Reefer maddness gone 21st century. We just need a few propaganda films to accompany it.....oh, we have those! Hollywood is full of them, sorry forgot.
Not surprised it was written by a Brit. Ettiquette and curtsy and dinner jackets and appearances of the class the author espouses....NOt my America, all this.
The kids I've taught in America are the same but something happens by the time they get to be early 20s. Conservative, narrow and money / business focused. Not a healthy climate for an expansive nation IMO.
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:17 am Post subject: |
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ooooooohhh.....eeeeeevil busines.....
next time you travel internationally, try not to use a business. Same goes for the next computer you buy....stick to socialist charity tech solutions.
Americans tend to value independence and responsibility, not your cup of tea if you want to live life without a care in the world under the constant benevolent protection of a nanny state. |
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Bronski

Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:40 am Post subject: |
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Could you post a link of the original article and the sources to back up all (or at least some) of the assertions in the article?
Thanks. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:01 am Post subject: |
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The Condition of America
Citizens rightly judge a President on the proposals he makes and the laws he signs. Yet there is another standard they judge by as well: the economic and social condition of the country. Are things in America getting better, or worse? Is progress being made, or lost? Are social indicators improving, or declining? With that in mind, it may be useful to provide a brief summary of the condition of America, based on recent empirical data.
Economic Indicators
* Since last summer, the American economy has grown at the fastest rate of any major industrialized nation.
* America's economy has been growing at rates as fast as any in nearly 20 years.
* Nearly 1.5 million jobs have been created since August 2003 and 1.3 million new jobs have been created this year alone. The unemployment rate today is below the average unemployment rate of the 1970s, the 1980s, and the 1990s.
* From 2000 to 2003, productivity grew at the fastest three-year rate in more than a half-century, raising the standard of living for all Americans.
* The Conference Board's index of leading indicators has risen at an average annual rate of 4.2 percent since March 2003 � the fastest 15-month period of increase in 20 years � suggesting vibrant economic growth in the near term.
* The stock market has regained more than $4 trillion in equity since its low in mid-2002. In 2003 the Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 25 percent and the NASDAQ rose 50 percent.
* Manufacturing activity expanded in July 2004 for the 14th consecutive month.
* Real after-tax incomes are up 11 percent since December 2000.
* Interest rates reached their lowest levels in decades during the Bush Administration.
* Homeownership is at its highest level ever and mortgage rates reached their lowest level in decades during the Bush Administration. And for the first time, the majority of minority Americans own their own homes.
* During the Bush Presidency, the United States has experienced one of the lowest core inflation rates (averaging two percent per year) in the past 40 years.
Crime and Drug Use
* Violent crime rates decreased 21 percent between 1999-2000 and 2001-2002. The violent crime rate is now down to its lowest point in the last three decades.
* Property crime dropped 13 percent between 1999-2000 and 2001-2002.
* There were about 130,000 fewer victims of gun crime in 2001-2002 than there were in 1999-2000, the first two-year period with less than a million gun-crime victims since 1993.
* Smoking, drinking, and illegal drug use among teenagers all fell between 2001 and 2003.
* Between 2001 and 2003, teen drug use fell by more than 10 percent � the first decline of such magnitude in more than a decade.
* Recent use of ecstasy, which sharply increased between 1998 and 2001, fell by half among high school students � and past use of LSD fell by almost two-thirds.
Welfare
* The largest welfare caseload decline in history occurred between 1996 and 2003, with the caseload falling 60 percent.
Education
* According to a March 2004 study by the Council of Great City Schools, the achievement gap in both math and reading between African Americans and whites, and Hispanics and whites, is narrowing.
* The high school dropout rate and the number of teens neither enrolled in school nor working was lower in 2001 than in 1996.
* More African Americans today are finishing high school, going to college, and earning higher salaries than ever. Since 1980 the percentage of African Americans earning high school diplomas has increased by more than 27 percent. And according to the Census Bureau, less than eight percent of African Americans had completed four years of college in 1980 � compared to 17 percent who had a bachelor's degree in 2002.
Family Life
* The divorce rate has fallen steadily for more than a decade.
* The proportion of children in married-parent families rose slightly since 1999 � the first increase in more than two decades.
* The percentage of high school students who reported ever having had sex was significantly lower in 2003 than in 1991.
Other
* Alcohol-related traffic fatalities are near their lowest level since the government began keeping such statistics.
* The rate of teen deaths by accident, homicide, and suicide fell 17 percent between 1996 and 2001.
* In 2002 the number of teens who smoked cigarettes daily dropped to the lowest point since data were first collected. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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sundubuman wrote: |
The Condition of America
Citizens rightly judge a President on the proposals he makes and the laws he signs. Yet there is another standard they judge by as well: the economic and social condition of the country. Are things in America getting better, or worse? Is progress being made, or lost? Are social indicators improving, or declining? With that in mind, it may be useful to provide a brief summary of the condition of America, based on recent empirical data.
Economic Indicators
* Since last summer, the American economy has grown at the fastest rate of any major industrialized nation.
* America's economy has been growing at rates as fast as any in nearly 20 years.
* Nearly 1.5 million jobs have been created since August 2003 and 1.3 million new jobs have been created this year alone. The unemployment rate today is below the average unemployment rate of the 1970s, the 1980s, and the 1990s.
* From 2000 to 2003, productivity grew at the fastest three-year rate in more than a half-century, raising the standard of living for all Americans.
* The Conference Board's index of leading indicators has risen at an average annual rate of 4.2 percent since March 2003 � the fastest 15-month period of increase in 20 years � suggesting vibrant economic growth in the near term.
* The stock market has regained more than $4 trillion in equity since its low in mid-2002. In 2003 the Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 25 percent and the NASDAQ rose 50 percent.
* Manufacturing activity expanded in July 2004 for the 14th consecutive month.
* Real after-tax incomes are up 11 percent since December 2000.
* Interest rates reached their lowest levels in decades during the Bush Administration.
* Homeownership is at its highest level ever and mortgage rates reached their lowest level in decades during the Bush Administration. And for the first time, the majority of minority Americans own their own homes.
* During the Bush Presidency, the United States has experienced one of the lowest core inflation rates (averaging two percent per year) in the past 40 years.
Crime and Drug Use
* Violent crime rates decreased 21 percent between 1999-2000 and 2001-2002. The violent crime rate is now down to its lowest point in the last three decades.
* Property crime dropped 13 percent between 1999-2000 and 2001-2002.
* There were about 130,000 fewer victims of gun crime in 2001-2002 than there were in 1999-2000, the first two-year period with less than a million gun-crime victims since 1993.
* Smoking, drinking, and illegal drug use among teenagers all fell between 2001 and 2003.
* Between 2001 and 2003, teen drug use fell by more than 10 percent � the first decline of such magnitude in more than a decade.
* Recent use of ecstasy, which sharply increased between 1998 and 2001, fell by half among high school students � and past use of LSD fell by almost two-thirds.
Welfare
* The largest welfare caseload decline in history occurred between 1996 and 2003, with the caseload falling 60 percent.
Education
* According to a March 2004 study by the Council of Great City Schools, the achievement gap in both math and reading between African Americans and whites, and Hispanics and whites, is narrowing.
* The high school dropout rate and the number of teens neither enrolled in school nor working was lower in 2001 than in 1996.
* More African Americans today are finishing high school, going to college, and earning higher salaries than ever. Since 1980 the percentage of African Americans earning high school diplomas has increased by more than 27 percent. And according to the Census Bureau, less than eight percent of African Americans had completed four years of college in 1980 � compared to 17 percent who had a bachelor's degree in 2002.
Family Life
* The divorce rate has fallen steadily for more than a decade.
* The proportion of children in married-parent families rose slightly since 1999 � the first increase in more than two decades.
* The percentage of high school students who reported ever having had sex was significantly lower in 2003 than in 1991.
Other
* Alcohol-related traffic fatalities are near their lowest level since the government began keeping such statistics.
* The rate of teen deaths by accident, homicide, and suicide fell 17 percent between 1996 and 2001.
* In 2002 the number of teens who smoked cigarettes daily dropped to the lowest point since data were first collected. |
Could we have a link for that please. Some of that is just wrong, and some is out of date. Also, some facts are very misleading, like the case load of welfare. Newer welfare laws just make it harder to get it, the statistic is not actually that the need has dropped. Also, for child welfare, social services is actually ignoring more cases where the children should be taken out (mostly due to budget cuts). Anyone who doesn't believe this can go somewhere (I don't care where). My family is a foster family (in Canada, but the two are somewhat intertwined and I keep up with both). |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="laogaiguk" My family is a foster family (in Canada, ).[/quote]
They got an extra bed? |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Ya, but my mother currently has a 6 month old, a 2 year old, a 6 year old and an 8 year old. There is also my 21 year old mentally challenged sister (well, she is my foster sister, but she has been with us for more than 12 years and she is my sister in every way). Do you really want to live there?  |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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My God !!!!! You are believing these "facts"??? From the office of the man with the biggest spin and biggest ability to lie????
You my friend are a dupe. Please don't try to pass off info. like this around here....Mein Gott! (because Germany lost!).
The source found with one google and no oggle....
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/achievement/chap19.html
These guys have LOTS of achievements to crow about, especially the thousands killed, in grave and body bags. The thousands more maimed, disabled. The tens of thousands more who must grieve and care for these.....
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death from above

Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Location: in your head
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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sundubuman wrote: |
* Since last summer, the American economy has grown at the fastest rate of any major industrialized nation. |
um, stop right there.. isn't china considered an industrialized nation?
i love skewed statistics, particularly those release by the white house propaganda.. er press.. office. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote: |
My God !!!!! You are believing these "facts"??? From the office of the man with the biggest spin and biggest ability to lie????
You my friend are a dupe. Please don't try to pass off info. like this around here....Mein Gott! (because Germany lost!).
The source found with one google and no oggle....
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/achievement/chap19.html
These guys have LOTS of achievements to crow about, especially the thousands killed, in grave and body bags. The thousands more maimed, disabled. The tens of thousands more who must grieve and care for these.....
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Do you really think the white house would put up false claims that have no supporting evidence????
And long after you and I are in the ground, history will point to the Bush years as the period of time when democracy and freedom began its inevitable advance into the Islamic facist areas of the world.
It'll make lefty loonies like yourself spin in your grave. |
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