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huck
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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I just chatted with a Korean friend online, and she hadn't heard anything about it, until I mentioned it to her and sent her the links from cnn and bbc.
She said
A - Art ! says:
i think they really have the power. better than our stupid president.
A - Art ! says:
yeah yeah
A - Art ! says:
but they're awesome
me says:
why?
A - Art ! says:
a small country (is it a country? n. korea?) does those things.
A - Art ! says:
without fear
A - Art ! says:
sometimes i just laugh |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I think this missile launch was a non-event. It was not an attack. It was not provocative. It was not ANYTHING. It is barely even newsworthy. |
My understanding is that the Japanese cabinet, immediately upon hearing this news, met in emergency session. So whatever it is that is going on in the North Korean dictator's mind, this can hardly be classified "a non-event." |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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I would best describe the North Korean's launch of a missle as a child looking for attention. If you try to provoke someone to get a reaction, it is attention.
The US would be wise not to overreact because that's exactly what North Korea wants us to do. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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soviet_man wrote:
So whoever "WorldWide" is, let me say you don't speak for me and it is clear that you are not a serious socialist (much like "Patchy") if that is what your "act" is here.
Ahhh, lefty sectarianism, dontcha just love it. You guys are like a real life Peoples' Front of Judea skit.
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The obvious "pot/kettle" caveat notwithstanding, SovietMan's summation of Worldwide is bang on the money.
And I would say it's not leftist sectarianianism, but rather an establishd troll with a well-honed routine worried that the up-and-coming troll is stealing his thunder. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject: yes |
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I have been saying for years that NK is not worth it. Not worth bribing for peace, not worth caring about, not worth trying to help.
The funny thing is, Korea's and USA's taxpayer money paid for those missiles.
I hope every country snubs them and they all starve. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Is it known yet if the missile failed or was it deliberately blown up? The launch itself was what was important. There would be a serious risk of test firing a missile--without warning--into the East Sea, filled with fishing ships and the US and Japanese navies. Had it not exploded 35 seconds after launch, every naval ship in the area would have been on alert. It would not take much imagination to think a naval commander, standing on his deck watching a Nork missile come screaming down out of the sky, might consider it a North Korean missile attack.
Has anyone seen a report that confirms the North blew up its own missile?
Last week I was reading something that had an intriging idea. Someone somewhere has suggested KJI be given a postage stamp country off in the corner somewhere so the South can absorb the North. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Is it known yet if the missile failed or was it deliberately blown up? The launch itself was what was important. There would be a serious risk of test firing a missile--without warning--into the East Sea, filled with fishing ships and the US and Japanese navies. Had it not exploded 35 seconds after launch, every naval ship in the area would have been on alert. It would not take much imagination to think a naval commander, standing on his deck watching a Nork missile come screaming down out of the sky, might consider it a North Korean missile attack.
Has anyone seen a report that confirms the North blew up its own missile?
Last week I was reading something that had an intriging idea. Someone somewhere has suggested KJI be given a postage stamp country off in the corner somewhere so the South can absorb the North. |
Um, no. The launch was not what was important. It was a multi stage missile, meaning that it goes through stages during flight. To get to the Alaska it would have to launch, then in mid flight the second stage would have to ignite. Thats the key to the missile. They failed to even test that. The whole thing was a huge failure. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: yes |
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I have been saying for years that NK is not worth it. Not worth bribing for peace, not worth caring about, not worth trying to help.
The funny thing is, Korea's and USA's taxpayer money paid for those missiles.
I hope every country snubs them and they all starve. |
But we can't ignore the North. If we do it will result in war for sure. Ignoring the North would cause the North to become reckless, as the North gets its funds from the world. Completely exhausted of resources the Northern leadership would face a choice: Either collapse and admit defeat, or try and gain more resources which at that point a war would be the only option left for the North. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: yes |
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But we can't ignore the North. If we do it will result in war for sure. Ignoring the North would cause the North to become reckless |
If the US stopped its handouts, then China would have to sort them out. A far better option. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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I posted it on my own thread, but figure I'll post it here:
Am I the only one that is concerned with WHERE the ICBM was heading and NOT the fact that it blew up after 42 seconds?  It's a multi-stage rocket and N.K. is obviously testing their weaponry range. So where was it headed? I think THAT'S the question we should all be asking. |
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soviet_man
Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Location: Seoul
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The obvious "pot/kettle" caveat notwithstanding, SovietMan's summation of Worldwide is bang on the money.
And I would say it's not leftist sectarianianism, but rather an establishd troll with a well-honed routine worried that the up-and-coming troll is stealing his thunder. |
Let me respond to some things here:
To on the other hand & jaganath69:
The majority of my posts on daves are totally unrelated to politics. So I don't know how you can justify saying that I am a single-issue troll or that I am jealous of stealing some new trolls thunder. That's absurd and offensive. Why you keep re-stating it over and over - is frankly a mystery to me. Because it makes no sense.
To WorldWide:
There is no reason to sensationalize the relationship between socialism and capitalism with flashing banner graphics and silly quotes. I don't know whether you are trying to impersonate someone else, but it doesn't convince me of the legitimacy of your arguments.
On the issue of the missile:
The USA illegally violates DPRK airspace on almost a daily basis to conduct aerial reconnaissance. That is a fact admitted by the US state department. So it is not especially significant that the DPRK, as a soverign state recognised by the United Nations, seeks to defend its own territories and from time to time, conducts non-offensive testing of its defense capabilities. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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On the issue of the missile:
The USA illegally violates DPRK airspace on almost a daily basis to conduct aerial reconnaissance. That is a fact admitted by the US state department. So it is not especially significant that the DPRK, as a soverign state recognised by the United Nations, seeks to defend its own territories and from time to time, conducts non-offensive testing of its defense capabilities. |
Non-offensive? For all we know the ICBM could have malfunctioned. Who's to say that the missiles they test don't malfunction and rather than crash in the East Sea, continue to travel towards Japan or Russia? I mean really, 600 miles? That's nothing!!!! You don't see ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD launching missles OUTSIDE OF THEIR COUNTRY to "test" them. That's completely absurd.
It's boardline lunacy to THINK that a country has the right to launch missiles whenever they feel like it.
Air space? How does one dilineate where air space turns into international space? Is there a set hight? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| the DPRK...from time to time...conducts non-offensive testing of its defense capabilities. |
Not buying this. |
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Sooke
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
Location: korea
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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You would have a valid point if we were talking about what countries did during the cold war, etc. However, we are not talking about the past; we are talking about the present (2000 and later). These pacts are in place for the safety of the world, not for the absent-minded to do as they see fit. |
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