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A Hello and Questions for Christians
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm really not sure what the availability of church services in your own language has to do with your ability to be a Christian.
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Satori



Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are from north america and you have a problem with greed?

Being a christian should not be affected by where you are at all.

For the record, I think that most self proclaimed "Christians" are the least christain people out there, if we take being christian as living up to the message of Christ...

As for thinking Christians have a lock on goodness, kindness, and morality, how repulsively ignorant...
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christianity doesn't make people good, good people make Christianity good
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cubanlord



Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!

PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
Christianity doesn't make people good, good people make Christianity good


Christianity is not something people make. It's something people believe in.
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K-in-C



Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Location: Heading somewhere

PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:29 pm    Post subject: Worship Reply with quote

OiGirl wrote:
I'm really not sure what the availability of church services in your own language has to do with your ability to be a Christian.


It is all about fellowship with like minded people and hearing the word of God. It is the feed/nurturing. Imagine being in a book club, but you don't have the opportunity to discusss the book? Whaaa! I am tired. I'll get into it further once I have time to develop my train of thought more. Embarassed

Peace and prayers,

K-in-C
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Harpeau



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC

PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally find it difficult being a christian here in Seoul. I seem to be finding more commonality with ppeople who are Buddhists, etc. Seeing crossed ajumas at Seoul station just makes my blood boil. I still believe, I just wish that people would respect freedom of conscious; soul freedom; freedom to interpret scripture as the Spirit leads the individual~ great baptist principles that have been pissed away by fundamentalism.

I would agree with Phillip Yancy in that 'm too liberal for the conservatives and too conservative for the liberals. I guess these days I just go into my head because I'm finding it difficult to find a real connection out there. Mind you, I still believe.
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K-in-C



Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Location: Heading somewhere

PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:10 pm    Post subject: God it's Tough Reply with quote

Harpeau wrote:
I personally find it difficult being a christian here in Seoul. I seem to be finding more commonality with ppeople who are Buddhists, etc. Seeing crossed ajumas at Seoul station just makes my blood boil. I still believe, I just wish that people would respect freedom of conscious; soul freedom; freedom to interpret scripture as the Spirit leads the individual~ great baptist principles that have been pissed away by fundamentalism.

I would agree with Phillip Yancy in that 'm too liberal for the conservatives and too conservative for the liberals. I guess these days I just go into my head because I'm finding it difficult to find a real connection out there. Mind you, I still believe.


I so know what you mean. I often commuicate with another former teacher of ESL in Korea who felt raped of spiritualism while doing time in the ROK.

One thing that really bothers me is that so many Koreans commit suicide, many of them Christians. There does not seem to be many messages of hope in the church services. Then there are the women attending these churches parading around in Gucci, Prada, and the list goes on and the foriegner dressed in other is looked up and down like a freak. Whew! I better stop before I write a disertation. Hmmmm! Rolling Eyes
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blaseblasphemener



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you seen the Catholic services on TV here where the women all have the little lace doilies on their heads? That made me laugh and wonder why. Never saw that in Canada. Seems like church in Korea for christians is mostly women going, while the men are working or nursing a hangover, or working on another one.

The worst was when I saw some sidewalk evangelists working a busy corner at a lotte. They were talking to children without any parents. That made my skin crawl.
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KittyLover



Joined: 20 May 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I have said before, I am not religious. However, I grew up in a very religious environment. The churches I went to were very hierchical and authoritarian. People also got into your business quite a bit more than in the secular world. Of course, they were extremely conservative as well. I dont necessarily condone these approaches, but I think this background made it easier to adjust to certain aspects of a confucian cultural taboos such as:

Don't question the authority figure.
Don't act like you care about money too much.
Conform, conform, conform. If you're having trouble with this, someone will surely pop up to help you out.


Of course, there were positive aspects of my background and of confucian culture as well. But basically my point is that I got here and could say "Okay, been there, done that" to a lot of the B.S. that goes on.

Of course, this was one particular denomination. Some of you may not consider it 'true' Christianity.
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blaseblasphemener



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

which denomination? mormonism?
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KittyLover



Joined: 20 May 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol, no. The called themselves non-denominational, which is ironic since that is fast becoming a denomination. A few of the teachings:

To be spiritually "covered", or protected, you must be under spiritual authority.
Going from church to church is as reprehensible as shaking up with a different woman every night.
You don't need to date. God will tell you who you're going to marry. Then your pastor or small group leader will confirm it.
Speaking out against the authority figures is like speaking out against God.

Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to give Christianity a bad name. I'm just saying I grew up in a pretty extreme sect of it.
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Worship Reply with quote

K-in-C wrote:
OiGirl wrote:
I'm really not sure what the availability of church services in your own language has to do with your ability to be a Christian.


It is all about fellowship with like minded people and hearing the word of God. It is the feed/nurturing. Imagine being in a book club, but you don't have the opportunity to discusss the book? Whaaa! I am tired. I'll get into it further once I have time to develop my train of thought more. Embarassed

Peace and prayers,

K-in-C

I care definately follow that, but I guess since I don't adehere to the teachings of any "church," I have to make sure I am surrounded by people who will nurture me in any case. I guess what I mean to say is I don't go to the gathering of people who are supposed to be X, Y, and Z, but rather create my own network of people I know are X, Y, and Z for me.
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ella



Joined: 17 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have you seen the Catholic services on TV here where the women all have the little lace doilies on their heads? That made me laugh and wonder why.


Those are called mantillas. It used to be church canon that women cover their heads during religious cermonies including Mass. When the new canon code was published in 1983 that particular law was left out. Some argue that the law is technically still in effect since the former law was never abrogated but most Catholic women no longer wear hats or mantillas or other headcoverings in church, except maybe as part of an Easter outfit or something. A few uber-traditionalist Catholics still wear them and some women decide to sort of err on the side of caution and wear one when meeting high-ranking Catholics, such as the Pope. I've never worn one and I've never seen one worn at any service I've attended.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the OP:

God travels well.

I think the hardest part about being a Christian in Korea is if one can't understand the message in service and possibly lack fellowship. However, it's a good chance to pray and hear God.

As for the Christians...well, I can't judge them until I sort myself out, and that will never happen; I will never be in a position to judge others. We are all accounted for and in the end, we will face judgement and that will be where we are all sorted.

There are times where Christians need a talking to, and there is a method for doing so. I was challenged not that long ago by a brother, and it really sent me for a loop. It took me a few days to realize that this man loved me enough to do that; to give me a good shake and let all the pieces hopefully fall into better order. It worked, and I will never forget what he did for me.

I bring this up because this happened to me in Korea and it remains the greatest moment in fellowship in my life. So, being a Christian in Korea has been great for me.
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