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ddeubel
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| Do you really think the white house would put up false claims that have no supporting evidence???? |
Of course they never would and I have some prime land for sale in S. Florida.......
I still remain hopeful, despite all the lies. As Dylan sang, "even the President of the United States , sometimes as to stand naked." This emperor has been exposed as having no clothes and exposing himself in public.
There is one born every minute said Barnum. Too bad this wasn't the circus or even consumerism, we are so gleefully talking about......
Hook, line, sinker and sucker.......
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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My God !!!!! You are believing these "facts"??? From the office of the man with the biggest spin and biggest ability to lie????
You my friend are a dupe. Please don't try to pass off info. like this around here....Mein Gott! (because Germany lost!).
The source found with one google and no oggle....
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/achievement/chap19.html
These guys have LOTS of achievements to crow about, especially the thousands killed, in grave and body bags. The thousands more maimed, disabled. The tens of thousands more who must grieve and care for these.....
DD |
Do you really think the white house would put up false claims that have no supporting evidence????
And long after you and I are in the ground, history will point to the Bush years as the period of time when democracy and freedom began its inevitable advance into the Islamic facist areas of the world.
It'll make lefty loonies like yourself spin in your grave. |
You can't possibly believe all those facts. Some are so obviously skewed or just plain wrong I find that unbelievable by anyone with a degree in anything. |
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caniff
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Ya, but my mother currently has a 6 month old, a 2 year old, a 6 year old and an 8 year old. There is also my 21 year old mentally challenged sister (well, she is my foster sister, but she has been with us for more than 12 years and she is my sister in every way). Do you really want to live there?  |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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My God !!!!! You are believing these "facts"??? From the office of the man with the biggest spin and biggest ability to lie????
You my friend are a dupe. Please don't try to pass off info. like this around here....Mein Gott! (because Germany lost!).
The source found with one google and no oggle....
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/achievement/chap19.html
These guys have LOTS of achievements to crow about, especially the thousands killed, in grave and body bags. The thousands more maimed, disabled. The tens of thousands more who must grieve and care for these.....
DD |
Do you really think the white house would put up false claims that have no supporting evidence????
And long after you and I are in the ground, history will point to the Bush years as the period of time when democracy and freedom began its inevitable advance into the Islamic facist areas of the world.
It'll make lefty loonies like yourself spin in your grave. |
You can't possibly believe all those facts. Some are so obviously skewed or just plain wrong I find that unbelievable by anyone with a degree in anything. |
I've read about most of these numbers dozens of times in the American press. They are widely known and accepted by most Americans. If you want, feel free to challenge them one by one, but a warning, it won't be easy to find proof of their non-veracity.
You can choose to believe America is a declining force in the world, that it's social and economic problems are intractable, that crime is rampant, that the education system is failing.......
However, it is not. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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just to remind you all
* Since last summer, the American economy has grown at the fastest rate of any major industrialized nation.
* America's economy has been growing at rates as fast as any in nearly 20 years.
* Nearly 1.5 million jobs have been created since August 2003 and 1.3 million new jobs have been created this year alone. The unemployment rate today is below the average unemployment rate of the 1970s, the 1980s, and the 1990s.
* From 2000 to 2003, productivity grew at the fastest three-year rate in more than a half-century, raising the standard of living for all Americans.
* The Conference Board's index of leading indicators has risen at an average annual rate of 4.2 percent since March 2003 � the fastest 15-month period of increase in 20 years � suggesting vibrant economic growth in the near term.
* The stock market has regained more than $4 trillion in equity since its low in mid-2002. In 2003 the Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 25 percent and the NASDAQ rose 50 percent.
* Manufacturing activity expanded in July 2004 for the 14th consecutive month.
* Real after-tax incomes are up 11 percent since December 2000.
* Interest rates reached their lowest levels in decades during the Bush Administration.
* Homeownership is at its highest level ever and mortgage rates reached their lowest level in decades during the Bush Administration. And for the first time, the majority of minority Americans own their own homes.
* During the Bush Presidency, the United States has experienced one of the lowest core inflation rates (averaging two percent per year) in the past 40 years.
Crime and Drug Use
* Violent crime rates decreased 21 percent between 1999-2000 and 2001-2002. The violent crime rate is now down to its lowest point in the last three decades.
* Property crime dropped 13 percent between 1999-2000 and 2001-2002.
* There were about 130,000 fewer victims of gun crime in 2001-2002 than there were in 1999-2000, the first two-year period with less than a million gun-crime victims since 1993.
* Smoking, drinking, and illegal drug use among teenagers all fell between 2001 and 2003.
* Between 2001 and 2003, teen drug use fell by more than 10 percent � the first decline of such magnitude in more than a decade.
* Recent use of ecstasy, which sharply increased between 1998 and 2001, fell by half among high school students � and past use of LSD fell by almost two-thirds.
Welfare
* The largest welfare caseload decline in history occurred between 1996 and 2003, with the caseload falling 60 percent.
Education
* According to a March 2004 study by the Council of Great City Schools, the achievement gap in both math and reading between African Americans and whites, and Hispanics and whites, is narrowing.
* The high school dropout rate and the number of teens neither enrolled in school nor working was lower in 2001 than in 1996.
* More African Americans today are finishing high school, going to college, and earning higher salaries than ever. Since 1980 the percentage of African Americans earning high school diplomas has increased by more than 27 percent. And according to the Census Bureau, less than eight percent of African Americans had completed four years of college in 1980 � compared to 17 percent who had a bachelor's degree in 2002.
Family Life
* The divorce rate has fallen steadily for more than a decade.
* The proportion of children in married-parent families rose slightly since 1999 � the first increase in more than two decades.
* The percentage of high school students who reported ever having had sex was significantly lower in 2003 than in 1991.
These are hardly outrageous claims, they are based upon STATISTICS. They are not opinions, they are very much QUANTIFIABLE.
I challenge you to dispute any of these FACTS.
And no, China is not considered an industrialized country. and I believe in the most recent quarter, the US economy grew by like 5.4%, nearly double most European countries. Next time you're in Kyobo, pick up an Economist and check the economic indicators in the back. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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here are the stats on educational attainment, which continues to increase for all measrable groups.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774057.html
You'll notice that the percentage of African-Americans who have received a 4-year college degree (around 18%) is now the same level as what white Americans had around 1980.
Among white Americans, the percentage has reached 30%, among the highest in the world. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Okay, don't have a lot of time but I will dent all to hell your "propaganda " and America is hunky dorry.
First, to set the tone. You are not talking statistics but whatever pap is available. You need CONTEXT and background. like the difference between knowledge and understanding. You may know this to be but to understand it, you need to see a wider swath and not just sing the jingle of those seeking power and hoping for more time at the trough.
First the economy. NO, not the fastest growing economy!!! All depends on how you measure economic growth. Job creation ?? No. GNP growth, NO. Productivity YES but American productivity is based not on its strength in exports but rather its technological leadership and most abhorrently , how long the American worker works..... Trade deficit? NO. Debt , MY god NO! Wage equity NO. Jobless rate YES. (but McJobs, see my comments later). All depends how you look at it. Savings? NOOO. Housing starts, YES but see DEBT. WAR production YES (but then again, is this a good thing, to have an economy based on destruction, based on killing, others misery?
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| * Nearly 1.5 million jobs have been created since August 2003 and 1.3 million new jobs have been created this year alone. The unemployment rate today is below the average unemployment rate of the 1970s, the 1980s, and the 1990s |
Low wage earners and the real purchasing power of Americans has declined SIGNIFICANTLY. So many MORE Americans work their ass off and still remain in poverty. Real wages are about 65% of what Americans were earning in 1970. Discretionary spending even worse -- Americans are so in debt, it is ridiculous. Let's talk context -- Happiness. How can you be happy worked to death?
The minimum wage is 5,000 dollars under the poverty line for a family of 3 (both wage earners !!!). It is only 10,500 / yr! It effects almost 15 % of the workforce. Corporate profits up 62% this year and the minimum wage hasn't risen a penny in 7 years!
Let's also mention here, gas prices, heating/electricity costs rising, CHILD CARE (how can these poor people go to work and look after their children once Roe Wade is overturned in your new world order?????). Let's mention how almost 24 % of middle class American's have no health care! My god! They suffer daily because they don't have the coin. Your America. of abundance and trillions spent on arms.....the poor office worker can't even feel her gums......
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From 2000 to 2003, productivity grew at the fastest three-year rate in more than a half-century, raising the standard of living for all Americans. |
Productivity does not equate into a rising standard of living -- you lack understanding ..... the soviet union had massive and continual growth in productivity, people still lived in rabbit hutches and lacked many basic necessities.....
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| The stock market has regained more than $4 trillion in equity since its low in mid-2002. In 2003 the Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 25 percent and the NASDAQ rose 50 percent. |
So you base American prosperity on speculation and paper worth? Not very ASSET oriented. Also, stock market activity does not mean a country is doing well. It means its elite is doing well and let's talk about the GROWING disparity between those at the bottom of the rung and those earning in the top 5%. Astounding how this is. And if you know anything about the law of averages, the high numbers at top bump the whole average up exponentially. Let me state, this is much of the hoopla you are pomp pomming. The cream at the top . But the reality below is different.
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| Manufacturing activity expanded in July 2004 for the 14th consecutive month. |
YES, good. Point accepted. Though much of this was growth in the military sector......I state again...
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| Homeownership is at its highest level ever and mortgage rates reached their lowest level in decades during the Bush Administration. And for the first time, the majority of minority Americans own their own homes. |
I think this is great! I do agree America is a place valued precisely because people can build and get land and be FREE on that land. Atleast was the case. But I caution. MANY Americans work so hard for their house/home. Many Americans are in debt and the costs of this are real and substantial and HUMAN. Not a great thing, this burden of debt. To a persons self worth or their own ability to be FREE.
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| Violent crime rates decreased 21 percent between 1999-2000 and 2001-2002. The violent crime rate is now down to its lowest point in the last three decades. |
Still more people, record numbers incarcerated than ever.....U.S. is number 2 in incarcaration rates. But I would suggest that there is always the same level of crime. Human behaviour doesn't change at this base leve. It is just how we measure it, what crimes we deem important to quantify and punish. Also, what about corporate crime??? At its highest level and the average American is ripped off and these guys go free.....yes, capitalism in its finest hour.
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Property crime dropped 13 percent between 1999-2000 and 2001-2002.
* There were about 130,000 fewer victims of gun crime in 2001-2002 than there were in 1999-2000, the first two-year period with less than a million gun-crime victims since 1993.
* Smoking, drinking, and illegal drug use among teenagers all fell between 2001 and 2003.
* Between 2001 and 2003, teen drug use fell by more than 10 percent � the first decline of such magnitude in more than a decade.
* Recent use of ecstasy, which sharply increased between 1998 and 2001, fell by half among high school students � and past use of LSD fell by almost two-thirds. |
All this may be true to some degree. But when you are on top of a mountain, you can't say you are yet on the plains if the people below still look like ants. Understanding , don't take these figures at face value. LIke going from the Worst to Worse.....Let's also talk about teenage preganancy, at an all time high.
Still lots of drug use -- to just measure ecstacy as a barometer is fallicious. Drug use is ever changing, fashionable. People do different stuff and Americans my tight collared friend , are still getting off just as much as ever (sorry to disappoint you......also still screwing and doing all those elicit things you don't deem "responsible". sorry to disappoint you).
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just to remind you all
* Since last summer, the American economy has grown at the fastest rate of any major industrialized nation.
* America's economy has been growing at rates as fast as any in nearly 20 years.
* Nearly 1.5 million jobs have been created since August 2003 and 1.3 million new jobs have been created this year alone. The unemployment rate today is below the average unemployment rate of the 1970s, the 1980s, and the 1990s.
* From 2000 to 2003, productivity grew at the fastest three-year rate in more than a half-century, raising the standard of living for all Americans.
* The Conference Board's index of leading indicators has risen at an average annual rate of 4.2 percent since March 2003 � the fastest 15-month period of increase in 20 years � suggesting vibrant economic growth in the near term.
* The stock market has regained more than $4 trillion in equity since its low in mid-2002. In 2003 the Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 25 percent and the NASDAQ rose 50 percent.
* Manufacturing activity expanded in July 2004 for the 14th consecutive month.
* Real after-tax incomes are up 11 percent since December 2000.
* Interest rates reached their lowest levels in decades during the Bush Administration.
* Homeownership is at its highest level ever and mortgage rates reached their lowest level in decades during the Bush Administration. And for the first time, the majority of minority Americans own their own homes.
* During the Bush Presidency, the United States has experienced one of the lowest core inflation rates (averaging two percent per year) in the past 40 years.
Crime and Drug Use
* Violent crime rates decreased 21 percent between 1999-2000 and 2001-2002. The violent crime rate is now down to its lowest point in the last three decades.
* Property crime dropped 13 percent between 1999-2000 and 2001-2002.
* There were about 130,000 fewer victims of gun crime in 2001-2002 than there were in 1999-2000, the first two-year period with less than a million gun-crime victims since 1993.
* Smoking, drinking, and illegal drug use among teenagers all fell between 2001 and 2003.
* Between 2001 and 2003, teen drug use fell by more than 10 percent � the first decline of such magnitude in more than a decade.
* Recent use of ecstasy, which sharply increased between 1998 and 2001, fell by half among high school students � and past use of LSD fell by almost two-thirds.
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Welfare
* The largest welfare caseload decline in history occurred between 1996 and 2003, with the caseload falling 60 percent. |
This was already bluntly refuted by someone else. This appears to be the case because of changes in law. People are More than ever , desperate and living below the poverty line. Just now, they don't count in YOUR RESURGING America.
The high school dropout rate and the number of teens neither enrolled in school nor working was lower in 2001 than in 1996.
This doesn't mean that the American education system is getting any better. Report after report state the deteriorating condition of schools and the crisis in education. It only means that the birth rate has dropped and in comparison to previous numbers, there are less drop outs. Fudging numbers.......this goes too for the divorce rate, based on an invalid premise.....
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| The percentage of high school students who reported ever having had sex was significantly lower in 2003 than in 1991. |
Well if this is the case, I do think it a pity. Though I do hope they are protected and educated in these things. I do wonder where the high rates of teen pregnancy come from??? One guy? to quote a medical assessment,
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| the United States now has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the Western World. |
Even quoting this "sex" figure as an indication of American resurgence reeks of puritanism and intolerance...........Regarding teenage pregnancy, wouldn't be bad in a general way, IF people were there to care for them, IF women in America has equality and didn't earn a smittens of men's wages, IF teenage women were helped by a compassionate health care system and child care program. None exists in YOUR AMERICA>
I am tired.
America has a lot to be proud of BUT America should mostly be proud about trying more to help the less fortunate and curbing the greed of her bounty/plenty.
Your "facts" do a disservice to all those MILLIONS of Americans who live day to day, pay check to pay check and who dream of just a stable job (yeah, forgot to mention the notion of "contract" work in America) and health care and some light at the end of their tunnel . For TOO many this is the reality.
Your can go salute your leader in chief . I hope your blindfold doesn't pick.
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:59 am Post subject: |
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just to remind you all
* Since last summer, the American economy has grown at the fastest rate of any major industrialized nation.
* America's economy has been growing at rates as fast as any in nearly 20 years.
* Nearly 1.5 million jobs have been created since August 2003 and 1.3 million new jobs have been created this year alone. The unemployment rate today is below the average unemployment rate of the 1970s, the 1980s, and the 1990s.
* From 2000 to 2003, productivity grew at the fastest three-year rate in more than a half-century, raising the standard of living for all Americans.
* The Conference Board's index of leading indicators has risen at an average annual rate of 4.2 percent since March 2003 � the fastest 15-month period of increase in 20 years � suggesting vibrant economic growth in the near term.
* The stock market has regained more than $4 trillion in equity since its low in mid-2002. In 2003 the Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 25 percent and the NASDAQ rose 50 percent.
* Manufacturing activity expanded in July 2004 for the 14th consecutive month.
* Real after-tax incomes are up 11 percent since December 2000.
* Interest rates reached their lowest levels in decades during the Bush Administration.
* Homeownership is at its highest level ever and mortgage rates reached their lowest level in decades during the Bush Administration. And for the first time, the majority of minority Americans own their own homes.
* During the Bush Presidency, the United States has experienced one of the lowest core inflation rates (averaging two percent per year) in the past 40 years.
Crime and Drug Use
* Violent crime rates decreased 21 percent between 1999-2000 and 2001-2002. The violent crime rate is now down to its lowest point in the last three decades.
* Property crime dropped 13 percent between 1999-2000 and 2001-2002.
* There were about 130,000 fewer victims of gun crime in 2001-2002 than there were in 1999-2000, the first two-year period with less than a million gun-crime victims since 1993.
* Smoking, drinking, and illegal drug use among teenagers all fell between 2001 and 2003.
* Between 2001 and 2003, teen drug use fell by more than 10 percent � the first decline of such magnitude in more than a decade.
* Recent use of ecstasy, which sharply increased between 1998 and 2001, fell by half among high school students � and past use of LSD fell by almost two-thirds.
Welfare
* The largest welfare caseload decline in history occurred between 1996 and 2003, with the caseload falling 60 percent.
Education
* According to a March 2004 study by the Council of Great City Schools, the achievement gap in both math and reading between African Americans and whites, and Hispanics and whites, is narrowing.
* The high school dropout rate and the number of teens neither enrolled in school nor working was lower in 2001 than in 1996.
* More African Americans today are finishing high school, going to college, and earning higher salaries than ever. Since 1980 the percentage of African Americans earning high school diplomas has increased by more than 27 percent. And according to the Census Bureau, less than eight percent of African Americans had completed four years of college in 1980 � compared to 17 percent who had a bachelor's degree in 2002.
Family Life
* The divorce rate has fallen steadily for more than a decade.
* The proportion of children in married-parent families rose slightly since 1999 � the first increase in more than two decades.
* The percentage of high school students who reported ever having had sex was significantly lower in 2003 than in 1991.
These are hardly outrageous claims, they are based upon STATISTICS. They are not opinions, they are very much QUANTIFIABLE.
I challenge you to dispute any of these FACTS.
And no, China is not considered an industrialized country. and I believe in the most recent quarter, the US economy grew by like 5.4%, nearly double most European countries. Next time you're in Kyobo, pick up an Economist and check the economic indicators in the back. |
Some people here would love to see America fall into ashes. The smarter ones realize this would be very bad for the world. We don't want it to fall, that is why people like you are not helping. I already showed how one of your statistics is incredibly wrong when put into the right context. All I needed to prove was that one is wrong for doubt to be cast on all of them.
We want to see the glorious America as it once was again, but you would rather feel like there is no problem and it's just everyone else who is out to get you, like a drug addict. Many of those facts are wrong, I have seen in the BBC, Canadian newspapers and a Japanese one. You are the worse thing to happen to America, though there are many who take it too far the other way too. |
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Alias
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| ...and surprise surprise, the national debt DOES NOT matter to the Republicans. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:11 am Post subject: |
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just to remind you all
* Since last summer, the American economy has grown at the fastest rate of any major industrialized nation.
* America's economy has been growing at rates as fast as any in nearly 20 years.
* Nearly 1.5 million jobs have been created since August 2003 and 1.3 million new jobs have been created this year alone. The unemployment rate today is below the average unemployment rate of the 1970s, the 1980s, and the 1990s.
* From 2000 to 2003, productivity grew at the fastest three-year rate in more than a half-century, raising the standard of living for all Americans.
* The Conference Board's index of leading indicators has risen at an average annual rate of 4.2 percent since March 2003 � the fastest 15-month period of increase in 20 years � suggesting vibrant economic growth in the near term.
* The stock market has regained more than $4 trillion in equity since its low in mid-2002. In 2003 the Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 25 percent and the NASDAQ rose 50 percent.
* Manufacturing activity expanded in July 2004 for the 14th consecutive month.
* Real after-tax incomes are up 11 percent since December 2000.
* Interest rates reached their lowest levels in decades during the Bush Administration.
* Homeownership is at its highest level ever and mortgage rates reached their lowest level in decades during the Bush Administration. And for the first time, the majority of minority Americans own their own homes.
* During the Bush Presidency, the United States has experienced one of the lowest core inflation rates (averaging two percent per year) in the past 40 years.
Crime and Drug Use
* Violent crime rates decreased 21 percent between 1999-2000 and 2001-2002. The violent crime rate is now down to its lowest point in the last three decades.
* Property crime dropped 13 percent between 1999-2000 and 2001-2002.
* There were about 130,000 fewer victims of gun crime in 2001-2002 than there were in 1999-2000, the first two-year period with less than a million gun-crime victims since 1993.
* Smoking, drinking, and illegal drug use among teenagers all fell between 2001 and 2003.
* Between 2001 and 2003, teen drug use fell by more than 10 percent � the first decline of such magnitude in more than a decade.
* Recent use of ecstasy, which sharply increased between 1998 and 2001, fell by half among high school students � and past use of LSD fell by almost two-thirds.
Welfare
* The largest welfare caseload decline in history occurred between 1996 and 2003, with the caseload falling 60 percent.
Education
* According to a March 2004 study by the Council of Great City Schools, the achievement gap in both math and reading between African Americans and whites, and Hispanics and whites, is narrowing.
* The high school dropout rate and the number of teens neither enrolled in school nor working was lower in 2001 than in 1996.
* More African Americans today are finishing high school, going to college, and earning higher salaries than ever. Since 1980 the percentage of African Americans earning high school diplomas has increased by more than 27 percent. And according to the Census Bureau, less than eight percent of African Americans had completed four years of college in 1980 � compared to 17 percent who had a bachelor's degree in 2002.
Family Life
* The divorce rate has fallen steadily for more than a decade.
* The proportion of children in married-parent families rose slightly since 1999 � the first increase in more than two decades.
* The percentage of high school students who reported ever having had sex was significantly lower in 2003 than in 1991.
These are hardly outrageous claims, they are based upon STATISTICS. They are not opinions, they are very much QUANTIFIABLE.
I challenge you to dispute any of these FACTS.
And no, China is not considered an industrialized country. and I believe in the most recent quarter, the US economy grew by like 5.4%, nearly double most European countries. Next time you're in Kyobo, pick up an Economist and check the economic indicators in the back. |
Some people here would love to see America fall into ashes. The smarter ones realize this would be very bad for the world. We don't want it to fall, that is why people like you are not helping. I already showed how one of your statistics is incredibly wrong when put into the right context. All I needed to prove was that one is wrong for doubt to be cast on all of them.
We want to see the glorious America as it once was again, but you would rather feel like there is no problem and it's just everyone else who is out to get you, like a drug addict. Many of those facts are wrong, I have seen in the BBC, Canadian newspapers and a Japanese one. You are the worse thing to happen to America, though there are many who take it too far the other way too. |
I am the "worse thing to happen to America"??????
Wow, thanks.
And if you believe the BBC and Canadian newspapers more than the website of the American president when dealing with statistics and numbers regarding the United States of America......
there's not much we have to discuss.
Good luck with your worldview.....hope it matures someday. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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and ddeubel...
my apologies to you, for as a leading cheerleader of America's decline, you surely must feel as terrible as the millions of Germans on this very day.
I know, as badly as you WANT TO BELIEVE that America is declining,
I'm sorry to inform you that it is not.
Which, ironically, is a very very good thing for not only myself, but for you as well.
So rest easy, knowing that the most powerful country in the world is NOT based upon RACE, TRIBE, RELIGION, or ETHNICITY.........
but one based upon FREEDOM, PROGRESS, RULE of LAW, and OPTIMISM. |
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:51 am Post subject: ... |
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| You never post links to your sources. |
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sundubuman
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| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| what are you my fourth grade English teacher......it's the internet...look it up! |
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sundubuman
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oh and nowhere man,who's funding that crap?
nice Ben and Jerry Propaganda film........oreo cookies?????
Notice how in that film the spending on education is compared to the spending on defense military.......
tricking the gullible kids (fresh out of indoctination time at uni) into thinking the country spends only 3.5 billion on education while we spend 400 billion on the military.
Well, education is paid for by local and state govs, and the true amount we spend on education is at least a hundred times more than this propaganda film implies...
nice link nowhere man...... (nice name too) |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:20 am Post subject: ... |
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That link explains the national budget accurately
If you really want to get into it, start a thread about my link.
Meanwhile, a link is what's missing from all of your "news information".
And it's pretty obvious why. You're not getting that refuse from AP wires.
As far as I know, everyone else on CE posts links to their sources.
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