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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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 Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:47 am Post subject: |
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Read into the issue a little deeper. The student blantently disrespected the teacher and showed a complete lack of regard for his classmates. If the OP doesn't get a strangle hold on that behavior asap, other students will jump on the bandwagon, and he will loose his class. Kudos to the OP for asking for help in this forum. Give him some help instead of giving priority to your personal issues. |
Read into my reply a little deeper. If that song offends you, you have a lot of growing up to do. Now sit back and think before you write any more tripe. |
Usually I am the one telling teachers to pack a spine and grow a thicker skin. But he did not say anything about the song, he was talking about the student's lack of respect and use of profanity.
Question: Is that type of profanity acceptable in a classroom? Answer: NO. Period.
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jellobean
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:48 am Post subject: |
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Sorry I don't know how to use the handy quote thing, I'm referring to the post about the co-worker who said something about NAFTA.
Anyway, first round negotiations were completed and I think they are doing another round this month for a FTA between the US and Korea. There are quite a few provisions for opening up various markets and lowering certain tariffs. I believe the unions of the workers whos jobs would be affected have been protesting. I saw a bunch of protesters marching through Jongno last week.
Personally, I'm hoping the whole thing goes through because one of the provisions everyone already agreed to was opening up the legal services market. If that happens and American law firms can come in, then perhaps I can quit my teaching gig and go back to being a lawyer. Don't get me wrong, I love the time off for travel I can negotiate by being an overqualified teacher, but it would be nice to work in the legal field again without having to go home to the US. |
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passport220
Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:38 am Post subject: Clark Air Force Base, and Subic Naval Station |
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Clark Air Force Base, and Subic Bay Naval Station, Central Luzon Philippines. Two of the largest (Clark was the largest international military base in the world) and undoubtedly key American military assets. The people of the Philippines invited the Americans to leave and the Americans are gone. If the Filipinos can do it why can�t the Koreans?
Okey, I know the realities are a tad more complex. However, this may be food for thought to a Korean who tends to look down on a Filipino as a lesser than.
Take care. |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Usually I am the one telling teachers to pack a spine and grow a thicker skin. But he did not say anything about the song, he was talking about the student's lack of respect and use of profanity. |
really?
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So I immediately look over and stare at him. I'm 6' tall, bald, goateed, and not skinny. He notices the strange quiet in the room, looks up, and sees me staring at him. He says, "oh, sorry teacher" in a somewhat truly apologetic tone. I simply say, "Do you want me to say f**king Korea?" And he and his 3 cronies gasp and say "no!" I say, "Alright, then, don't say that."
Have you ever heard this in class before? And how did you deal with it? |
Where in the OP does it say the issue was profanity? The OP retorts by substituting KOREA in the same song....
And he admits the student 'apologized'. |
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alabamaman
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| the eye wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Usually I am the one telling teachers to pack a spine and grow a thicker skin. But he did not say anything about the song, he was talking about the student's lack of respect and use of profanity. |
really?
the OP reads....
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So I immediately look over and stare at him. I'm 6' tall, bald, goateed, and not skinny. He notices the strange quiet in the room, looks up, and sees me staring at him. He says, "oh, sorry teacher" in a somewhat truly apologetic tone. I simply say, "Do you want me to say f**king Korea?" And he and his 3 cronies gasp and say "no!" I say, "Alright, then, don't say that."
Have you ever heard this in class before? And how did you deal with it? |
Where in the OP does it say the issue was profanity? The OP retorts by substituting KOREA in the same song....
And he admits the student 'apologized'. |
Sing a song in front of your class with the lyrics, "F*** Korea." What would the issue at hand be? |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:11 am Post subject: |
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you know, I didn't even consider that I should discourage profanity in the classroom. Oops. I guess it doesn't bother me that much. The only thing I tried to discourage was being disrespectful to my country. Yes, I'm American.
I thought briefly about lifting him up by the neck and throwing him out the second story window, but I think about that for pretty much everything. I've even told my students, "... and if you don't finish your homework, I'll throw you out the window." They laugh nervously and eye the window. I love my kids.
On the issue of profanity, I think its just rather silly to teach OR to ban it. "Hey, guys, you know that word? The one that you hear 50 times in an action movie? The one that the cool guys always say? Yeah, don't use that word. Even though this is English class, and these words are English, I'm banning the following words right now..." |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:19 am Post subject: |
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Sing a song in front of your class with the lyrics, "F*** Korea." What would the issue at hand be? |
Nice try. The issue at hand is that you missed the point of the OP and started your own about profanity while simultaneously criticizing me for bringing my own personal issues into the mix.
I stand by my origional reply. The song is nothing compared to what i have heard, and what the OP will hear in the future about politics. They are elementary school kids and you won't get anywhere with their reasoning on that subject. |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| I've even told my students, "... and if you don't finish your homework, I'll throw you out the window." They laugh nervously and eye the window. I love my kids. |
Bizarrrre. I have that EXACT same threat. But i use it when they goof off. I have an evil eye that goes with it too.
Don't let the slams get to you. You will just end up perpetuating their disrespect if you get emotional about it. But, it was a good idea to turn the tables on them to show them how it feels. |
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alabamaman
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| the eye wrote: |
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Sing a song in front of your class with the lyrics, "F*** Korea." What would the issue at hand be? |
Nice try. The issue at hand is that you missed the point of the OP and started your own about profanity while simultaneously criticizing me for bringing my own personal issues into the mix.
I stand by my origional reply. The song is nothing compared to what i have heard, and what the OP will hear in the future about politics. They are elementary school kids and you won't get anywhere with their reasoning on that subject. |
When students use profanity in class, the teacher has to address the foul language. Having said that, we must encourage them to sing withouth the offensive language. If there was no profanity in the song, the title of the OP's thread would have been completely different. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:08 am Post subject: Re: F*cking USA |
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Never had that problem, and my students know they would be thrown out for saying any profanity like that. You know your students best. Sometimes drawing the hard lines can be tough since you don't want to damage the teacher/student relationship. |
Not meaning to be rude.... but when did you get over here to Korea?
I was under the impression that you were still stateside and looking for a job.
Isn't that why you started the thread about " KoreaTeacherServices Contract Crapfest of the year!!"?
So are you in Korea and speaking as a teacher here or are you still looking for a job?
If you are here, why are you pissing with recruiters as if you were looking for a newbie job?
If you are NOT here, why are you talking about your Korean students "my students know they would be thrown out "? as if you were here? |
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alabamaman
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:39 am Post subject: Re: F*cking USA |
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Never had that problem, and my students know they would be thrown out for saying any profanity like that. You know your students best. Sometimes drawing the hard lines can be tough since you don't want to damage the teacher/student relationship. |
Not meaning to be rude.... but when did you get over here to Korea?
I was under the impression that you were still stateside and looking for a job.
Isn't that why you started the thread about " KoreaTeacherServices Contract Crapfest of the year!!"?
So are you in Korea and speaking as a teacher here or are you still looking for a job?
If you are here, why are you pissing with recruiters as if you were looking for a newbie job?
If you are NOT here, why are you talking about your Korean students "my students know they would be thrown out "? as if you were here? |
*I'm here in Korea
*I've been here over 6months
*Secured employment elsewhere
*Started thread to expose crap contract and unprofessionalism via e-mail
Any more questions? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:44 am Post subject: Re: F*cking USA |
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| alabamaman wrote: |
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| alabamaman wrote: |
Never had that problem, and my students know they would be thrown out for saying any profanity like that. You know your students best. Sometimes drawing the hard lines can be tough since you don't want to damage the teacher/student relationship. |
Not meaning to be rude.... but when did you get over here to Korea?
I was under the impression that you were still stateside and looking for a job.
Isn't that why you started the thread about " KoreaTeacherServices Contract Crapfest of the year!!"?
So are you in Korea and speaking as a teacher here or are you still looking for a job?
If you are here, why are you pissing with recruiters as if you were looking for a newbie job?
If you are NOT here, why are you talking about your Korean students "my students know they would be thrown out "? as if you were here? |
*I'm here in Korea
*I've been here over 6months
*Secured employment elsewhere
*Started thread to expose crap contract and unprofessionalism via e-mail
Any more questions? |
Nope... now I understand that you are under contract and you are still applying for jobs as though you were stateside. Ralph Nader part 2.
Answered my question. I will always defer to those like yourself with all your experience here giving a hand to those of us who are new to all of this. |
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alabamaman
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:47 am Post subject: Re: F*cking USA |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
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| alabamaman wrote: |
Never had that problem, and my students know they would be thrown out for saying any profanity like that. You know your students best. Sometimes drawing the hard lines can be tough since you don't want to damage the teacher/student relationship. |
Not meaning to be rude.... but when did you get over here to Korea?
I was under the impression that you were still stateside and looking for a job.
Isn't that why you started the thread about " KoreaTeacherServices Contract Crapfest of the year!!"?
So are you in Korea and speaking as a teacher here or are you still looking for a job?
If you are here, why are you pissing with recruiters as if you were looking for a newbie job?
If you are NOT here, why are you talking about your Korean students "my students know they would be thrown out "? as if you were here? |
*I'm here in Korea
*I've been here over 6months
*Secured employment elsewhere
*Started thread to expose crap contract and unprofessionalism via e-mail
Any more questions? |
Nope... now I understand that you are under contract and you are still applying for jobs as though you were stateside. Ralph Nader part 2.
Answered my question. I will always defer to those like yourself with all your experience here giving a hand to those of us who are new to all of this. |
Patz I'm not under contract at this point in time. I'm signing another contract tomorrow. When I first arrived in Korea, I knew nothing about contracts. Ever since then I've come to an understanding what a crap contract looks like and what a descent contract looks like. There are a select few in ESL land that evaluate contracts on a consistant basis to benefit newbies. I know there has been people who have thanked me for helping them with contract evaluations, and that's something I'm proud of. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: F*cking USA |
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Patz I'm not under contract at this point in time. I'm signing another contract tomorrow. When I first arrived in Korea, I knew nothing about contracts. Ever since then I've come to an understanding what a crap contract looks like and what a descent contract looks like. There are a select few in ESL land that evaluate contracts on a consistant basis to benefit newbies. I know there has been people who have thanked me for helping them with contract evaluations, and that's something I'm proud of. |
I guess you missed the reference to good ol Ralph Nader. Maybe a little old for you anyway. Might be worth your while to do a google.
And as a side note: if you are not under contract and are not Korean and you have been here and teaching kids then you have been working illegally. (No contract = no E2 / fact of life). Good place to give advice from.
I beg my pardon in deference to your infinite wisdom and many days of legal experience and expertise.
<Flameproof underware has been initialized> |
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alabamaman
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: F*cking USA |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
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Patz I'm not under contract at this point in time. I'm signing another contract tomorrow. When I first arrived in Korea, I knew nothing about contracts. Ever since then I've come to an understanding what a crap contract looks like and what a descent contract looks like. There are a select few in ESL land that evaluate contracts on a consistant basis to benefit newbies. I know there has been people who have thanked me for helping them with contract evaluations, and that's something I'm proud of. |
I guess you missed the reference to good ol Ralph Nader. Maybe a little old for you anyway. Might be worth your while to do a google.
And as a side note: if you are not under contract and are not Korean and you have been here and teaching kids then you have been working illegally. (No contract = no E2 / fact of life). Good place to give advice from.
That's common knowledge. I've been teaching on an E-2 Visa, recently stopped working at my old school, and secured a new gig elsewhere. I always been under contract while teaching. Anymore common knowledge you wish to share with me Einstien?
I beg my pardon in deference to your infinite wisdom and many days of legal experience and expertise.
<Flameproof underware has been initialized> |
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