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teachingld2004



Joined: 29 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:03 am    Post subject: very strange job interview Reply with quote

I hate looking for jobs, but I am leaving my current school at the end of August, so its job hunting season for me again.

I had an interview today in a midde school. I know some people have great public school jobs, but this was not one of them.

The people who I had the interview with were so nice, but I would not even consider the job.

It was working with 4 different Korean teachers. Weekly lesson plans had to be made. 25 hours of teaching per week. Not so bad, but not so good either.

2 weeks vacation a year. And here is the "best part". Salary was 2.2. They asked if I had a "TESOL". I said no, but I have a N.Y.State teaching license. They said that was not good enough, they wanted a TESOL. I said, "Here is my teaching license". They said my salary would be 200,000 a month less because I didn't have a TESOL. They said that is more important because it teaches you how to teach students whose native language is not english.

Guess that is one job that I will not even keep on my "maybe" list.
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Lizara



Joined: 14 Apr 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here was my last job interview:

Recruiter (same guy who got me this year's job, which was decent if not spectacular) emails me job details. I say I might be interested. Recruiter calls and we agree that he'll schedule an interview with the director. Recruiter calls back a few minutes later and says, "She says she doesn't need to interview you. She'll hire you. I'll send you the contract. Sign it and mail it back to me."
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jacl



Joined: 31 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those TESALs and whatnot are just used so they have an excuse to offer a lower salary. They'd hire you for 2 million before they'd hire someone with a TESOL for 2.2.
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teachingld2004



Joined: 29 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:31 am    Post subject: job interview Reply with quote

Why on earth would ANYONE with a teaching license work in a middle school for 2.0, with only 2 weeks vacation and all that work?

I certainly am not saying I expect a "free ride", but at least pay a decent
wage
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Scott in Incheon



Joined: 30 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a teaching cert and some years under your belt, maybe you should be looking at the Hong Kong NET program. You can get more money than public schools here...more holidays...and should be able to save quite a bit. And if you are overseas for the long haul, the NET program gives you a raise every year.

It is a long process to get hired and it would too late for this year but it is something to think about.
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teachingld2004



Joined: 29 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:24 am    Post subject: jobs Reply with quote

Thanks Scott.

I never heard of the NET. ANd before I have people "yelling" at me...
I really like it here. I am comfortable with the language, the city, and yes, the people.

I want to be here another 2 years and then go back to the USA, but I will look at the NET program. Who knows.

Anyway Scott, why are you here and not there?

Thanks.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:10 am    Post subject: Re: job interview Reply with quote

teachingld2004 wrote:
Why on earth would ANYONE with a teaching license work in a middle school for 2.0, with only 2 weeks vacation and all that work.


Rehetorical question? For sure! Laughing

However, the 'offer' serves to illustrate how 'out to lunch' some school districts can be (mine included).

Eventually, they'll find some virgin ESLer who'll do it for that. If it takes five months, the boss and his cronies have pocketed aprox. W10000000. Evil or Very Mad
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Scott in Incheon



Joined: 30 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was there for six years. My wife is Korean and we wanted our daughters to go to grade school here, so we came back. It was a really good experience. We lived a good life and managed to save a nice bit of money. This would have changed if we had sent our kids to school there, the school fees would have really eaten into our ability to save.

It is a good program but like Korea your experience depends on the school/principal...some have had a not so good experience.
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rothkowitz



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They wouldn't even properly know what these qualifications mean.My school originally thought CELTA was MATesol.

Beget them.They're being pedantic for no good reason.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the job offer was fine except for the vacation part. and being required to submit lesson plans is a good thing. You should be preparing them anyway so how hard is it to print another copy.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:00 pm    Post subject: Re: very strange job interview Reply with quote

teachingld2004 wrote:
I hate looking for jobs, but I am leaving my current school at the end of August, so its job hunting season for me again.

I had an interview today in a midde school. I know some people have great public school jobs, but this was not one of them.

The people who I had the interview with were so nice, but I would not even consider the job.

It was working with 4 different Korean teachers. Weekly lesson plans had to be made. 25 hours of teaching per week. Not so bad, but not so good either.

2 weeks vacation a year. And here is the "best part". Salary was 2.2. They asked if I had a "TESOL". I said no, but I have a N.Y.State teaching license. They said that was not good enough, they wanted a TESOL. I said, "Here is my teaching license". They said my salary would be 200,000 a month less because I didn't have a TESOL. They said that is more important because it teaches you how to teach students whose native language is not english.

Guess that is one job that I will not even keep on my "maybe" list.



I don't see much wrong with that offer. That was an entirely standard contract for a public school, you're not going to find much different out there.

This is EFL, you need an EFL qualification. Teaching license doesn't cut it because you're not teaching English speakers. To get top pay scale you need 2 yrs exp in ESL, an MA, or a TEFL qual.

Working with 4 different Korean teachers? lucky you, it probably would have been an advantage.
Lesson plans? Of course, that is standard. By weekly plans, what they mean is one lesson plan covering each grade for the whole wek. Its not as bad as it sounds. I teach 21 classes and make 4 lesson plans a week to cover all of those. Its a breeze, takes me 15 minutes maxx.

The lack of time off is the kicker. But of course, you get more if you stay longer than a year.
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rothkowitz



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The TEFL thing is over rated because in a middle school with 40 students,especially,knowing how to teach and controlling the class is about all that counts.

Who cares if someone has some nifty ideas in methodology if in class you can't get a word in edgeways?

Anybody can pick up TEFL ideas through a book or from pointers.

Can't honestly say what I really got from doing a CELTA.Can I have my $2700 AUD back now please?
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