|
Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
|
 Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:27 pm Post subject: Who's your favorite troll? |
 |
|
Who's your favorite troll?
Mine was Soviet_Man, because he was a sock with a theme. All of his posts had to tie in to communism in some way. For example, he couldn't just start bashing Americans. He had to find some way to argue that communism is a superior economonic system to capitalism, and provide links as back-up. That took work and imagination.
How about you? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
pocketfluff
Joined: 30 May 2006
Location: Washington, DC (school) and Los Angeles, CA (home)
|
| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: Who's your favorite troll? |
|
|
| Troll_Bait wrote: |
Who's your favorite troll?
Mine was Soviet_Man, because he was a sock with a theme. All of his posts had to tie in to communism in some way. For example, he couldn't just start bashing Americans. He had to find some way to argue that communism is a superior economonic system to capitalism, and provide links as back-up. That took work and imagination.
How about you? |
For the same reasons, my favorite troll is WorldWide. Take this example of hilarity, exhibited during a discussion about the American beef industry:
| Quote: |
Damn you google.... I feel dirty having seached for Britney Spears....  |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
|
| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I like WorldWide too, it was me messing with him that sent him off to google(I love when people take the trolls too seriously and can't just toy back with them...)
But the all time true love of my life is princess. Maybe not even a troll--the jury is still out--but oh so lovely and sweet...
If she is sock, as she must be, what a piece of work!! (And if she's not, a masterpiece...) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
|
| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| My favourite troll is me, bigverne or rapier. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
soviet_man
Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Location: Seoul
|
| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| Mine was Soviet_Man, because he was a sock with a theme. All of his posts had to tie in to communism in some way. For example, he couldn't just start bashing Americans. He had to find some way to argue that communism is a superior economonic system to capitalism, and provide links as back-up. That took work and imagination. |
When confronted with a socialist perspective, few people here can adequately defend capitalism with either facts or personal conviction.
This is because as a group, most posters on daves are politically unsophisticated and are mostly disinterested in hearing alternative views on global issues.
So when a different view does come along, it is frequently dismissed as trolling.
In actuality, the people accusing others of trolling are usually the ones who are so intent on obtaining their own self-gratification, by giving trivial responses to others. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
|
| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:19 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| soviet_man wrote: |
| Quote: |
| Mine was Soviet_Man, because he was a sock with a theme. All of his posts had to tie in to communism in some way. For example, he couldn't just start bashing Americans. He had to find some way to argue that communism is a superior economonic system to capitalism, and provide links as back-up. That took work and imagination. |
When confronted with a socialist perspective, few people here can adequately defend capitalism with either facts or personal conviction.
|
I can. Communism makes the mass of the population very poor, oppressed, brain-washed, manipulated, and not at all free, while it makes the leaders extremely rich. The most excessive human rights abuses generally occur in communist countries. Capitalism allows competition to provide more consumer choice, higher quality, cheaper prices, and it allows for better protection of human rights and freedom. There are very few communist countries left, and they are terrible places that everyone wants to leave but they are forced to stay. Comunism was dead in the water at it's inception and now we are just seeing the last twitching death-throws of it. Bad ideas just don't survive. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
|
| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| How does capitalism protect human rights and freedom? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
|
| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ChopChaeJoe wrote: |
| How does capitalism protect human rights and freedom? |
You're asking me "how" which is a very invloved question. I know it does do that though, because we can simply observe capitalist countries and communist countries and see that there are better human rights and freedom there than in communist countries. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
soviet_man
Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Location: Seoul
|
| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:48 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Satori - I want you to consider five points:
* 5 billion people (out of 6.4 billion) live in the third world.
* Half the world, 3 billion peoplem live on less than $2 a day.
* The GDP of the poorest 48 nations is less than the wealth of the world�s three richest people.
* 20% of the population in developed nations, consume 86% of the world�s goods.
* The developing world now spends $13 on debt repayment for every $1 it receives in grants.
Now tell me - how does capitalism: "allow more consumer choice, higher quality, cheaper prices, and it allows for better protection of human rights and freedom".
I am sure you would agree with me that for the majority of the world, these conditions do not exist currently and would be unlikely to exist in the future under a capitalist system. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
|
| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:50 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Hi, Jack.
Sparkles*_* |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
|
| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Soviet_Man:
Articulate, as always. No, really. That's why I like you.
Never give up fighting for the downtrodden proletariats. You are the people's champion.
You're still my Number One, Soviet_Man. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
| soviet_man wrote: |
Satori - I want you to consider five points:
* 5 billion people (out of 6.4 billion) live in the third world.
* Half the world, 3 billion peoplem live on less than $2 a day.
* The GDP of the poorest 48 nations is less than the wealth of the world�s three richest people.
* 20% of the population in developed nations, consume 86% of the world�s goods.
* The developing world now spends $13 on debt repayment for every $1 it receives in grants.
Now tell me - how does capitalism: "allow more consumer choice, higher quality, cheaper prices, and it allows for better protection of human rights and freedom".
I am sure you would agree with me that for the majority of the world, these conditions do not exist currently and would be unlikely to exist in the future under a capitalist system. |
These problems are due to the structure of corporate law and the refusal to regulate multi-nationals. Communism is not the answer. The worst human rights abuses always occur in communist countries.
About choice, look at Cuba. It has opened up a bit now. But there was a time when the government decided that personal expression through clothing was a bougiose luxury. Thus, there was one kind of shirt you could buy, one kind of pants, one kind of shoes. I don't want government making those choices for me. And that's just a trivial example, but indicative of the problems with communism. Communism doesn't empower the worker, it in fact centralises and concerntrates power in a small elite far more than capitalism does. Then the country is at the whim of the leadership. Furthermore, looking at history, not a single communist state has ever "worked" as in been sucessful and created a happy population with a stable and high quality of life. Communist regimes have to repress thier populations with police brutality, because people, by nature, don't respond well to being highly controlled like that. China didn't start to do well until it liberalised the economy.
The principle of the free market, free enterprise, competition, brings the best variety and quality of products and services. That is fact. I don't think the system is perfect, it needs tweaking, and I'm not a libertarian, I believe some things are best controlled by the state, eg roads, health, education, environment. And we need to be more humanitarian towards poor countries. The problem is not capitalism though. And communism certainly isn't the answer to anything. I have no fear that communism will ever rise again though. It was a dead duck at birth, and now we are seeing it's last death twitches... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:10 am Post subject: |
|
|
| soviet_man wrote: |
Now tell me - how does capitalism: "allow more consumer choice, higher quality, cheaper prices, and it allows for better protection of human rights and freedom". |
have you ever lived in a communist/ quasi-communist country?
| Quote: |
| I am sure you would agree with me that for the majority of the world, these conditions do not exist currently and would be unlikely to exist in the future under a capitalist system. |
they would never exist under communism.
Capitalism is far from perfect, but it's the closest we can get. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:00 am Post subject: |
|
|
The troll I dislike the most is Patchy.
May he rot in hell.... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
