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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| That's the most politically naive claptrap I've heard in a long time. I knew the OP was not smart, but that is positively worrying... |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| China is our friend and our banker. They aren't going to fight us. |
I would rather be 1000 yrs from now making that statement, than making it now.
I believe you are rather optmistic, though I know that my country will face the dangers of Chinese regional expansionism before yours will.
Its just an issue of analysis. Though please don't surrender before you give my country enough arms and ammunition to defeat our enemies (or at least not be forced to surrender without a fight).
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:54 am Post subject: |
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Russia's New World Order
Buoyed by expensive energy and a booming economy, the Kremlin is once again flexing its muscles abroad � but very carefully
Russia's New World Order
Summer Wine, I am assuming you are from Korea?
It comes as no surprise that Russia and China are not doing anything with Iran or Iraq. World instability favors their policies. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| Summer Wine, I am assuming you are from Korea? |
No I am not, but while the fidlers play, the city burns.
The chinese are not acting in my nations or my friends interests in our region of the World. Regardless of what some may think.
If the US doesn't wake up soon, it may find itself in hot water, regardless of what is happening in its immediate scope of interest. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| Summer Wine wrote: |
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| Summer Wine, I am assuming you are from Korea? |
No I am not, but while the fidlers play, the city burns.
The chinese are not acting in my nations or my friends interests in our region of the World. Regardless of what some may think.
If the US doesn't wake up soon, it may find itself in hot water, regardless of what is happening in its immediate scope of interest. |
I fully agree. China is not a friend. Economics has become the new war field and we can expect China to start using that leverage.
They will eventually invade Taiwan and onward. |
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:41 am Post subject: Re: Chinese dragon awakens |
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However, I wonder if China, Russia and North Korea will form an alliance against the United States.
Any thoughts? |
Not sure which type of alliance you mean. Economic, sure, why not? Although Russia certainly not exclusively with China by any means.
A Russian military alliance with only the Chinese seems far more unlikely especially as the Chinese have had their eyes on Siberia for a long time. Will China invade Taiwan? Who knows. But they have history invading Tibet and Vietnam.
However, despite French and Australian statements of assurance to the Chinese that they wish to benefit from Chinese trade I'd wager if push ever came to shove they'd almost certainly back not only the US, but NATO (USA, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France (political member), Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, United Kingdom, Greece, Turkey, Germany, Spain, Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia). ANZUS and regional military powers such as Japan would certainly ally themselves with NATO as well.
China might be getting big but it's not the biggest muscle in the world by any means. Although the US is currently in an economic hole due in large part to Bush's mismanagement of the ecomomy, China will not in the foreseeable decades come anywhere near the combined economic and military power of all these countries (even leaving out India, which China attacked in 1962).
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| Why then the article in the washington times? |
Moonies? |
Yup! http://www.realjournalism.net/times.htm
Beware of the WT. Moonie propaganda at its finest. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Anyone else suspect there's a degree of coordination between the recent actions of Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria, Iran in four areas (Iraq, Afghanistan, bankrolling Hezbollah, and its nuclear plans), and (I don't think this is too far a stretch) North Korea? Add into the mix whoever blew up the trains in India this week, too...
In the last three weeks:
1. Hamas-supported attacks across the Gaza border
2. Hezbollah's bold attacks on northern Israel
3. Efforts to topple the new Iraqi government and instigate civil war
4. Iran continues to give the world the middle finger over its nuclear program
5. North Korean missile tests
6. Huge terrorist attack in Mumbai, possibly caused by Pakistani-influenced elements
7. Heaviest fighting against coalition forces in Afghanistan since the invasion in 2001
Any of the above could have happened at any time in the last four years. But why are all of them happening now, at the same time? I don't believe all these events are happening in isolation. I know this sounds like a "conspiracy", but it does seem like someone somewhere has made a decision to coordinate a multi-pronged push on the US.
In many ways these gathering clouds are a far greater threat to the Western world than Al Qaeda ever was. I hope Bush is up to this. |
Coincidence or planned? |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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I think it would be pretty cool if there were a nuclear war. There'd be a clean slate....
Generation 1: Dinosaurs
Generation 2: Wooly mammoths and saber tooth tigers
Generation 3: Humans
Generation 4: Koreans (Haha, joking, but I bet some think that)
The next generation: ? |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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All this talk about China invading Taiwan won't happen I think. Historically China has dealt with countries or areas that they thought were theirs or should be theirs on a client state basis. That or a vassal. Korea is a good example of that. Korea was a vassal of China for extended periods of time. As long as they didn't go against China and paid their taxes so to speak, they were left alone. Pretty good deal for Korea really. Access to China's superior technology and protection from big brother.
Taiwan I think is much the same. China doesn't want Taiwan to declare outright independence. I think they would prefer a vassal state relationship with them as well. The funny thing is that Taiwan has never been considered a part of China historically. It was only in the 1930's and 1940's that China ever started to make that claim.
Mind you, I could be full of crap. Looking at what they have done in Tibet. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:36 am Post subject: |
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I think it would be pretty cool if there were a nuclear war. There'd be a clean slate....
Generation 1: Dinosaurs
Generation 2: Wooly mammoths and saber tooth tigers
Generation 3: Humans
Generation 4: Koreans (Haha, joking, but I bet some think that)
The next generation: ? |
You! 
Hey Guri Guy, I hope you are right.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=61440 |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:14 am Post subject: |
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The greatest danger facing America is a possible nuclear attack from Russia. This danger is not something imaginary. Russian nuclear missiles can reach America in about 30 minutes, reducing America's cities to rubble. Unlike Russia, America has no anti-ballistic missile defenses and no national shelter system. Furthermore, political changes in Russia have not reduced the danger of nuclear war. According to former CIA analyst Peter Vincent Pry, there has been a five-fold increase in nuclear war scares since the collapse of Communism.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=19774
More than a decade after the end of the Cold War, both the United States and Russia maintain vast nuclear arsenals. The United States still has 550 ICBMs -- long-range missiles that can reach Moscow in a half an hour -- stored in silos throughout the West. A single U.S. nuclear submarine carries up to 192 warheads and could kill or maim about a third of Russia's population, some 50 million people. The United States has 18 of these submarines. All told, the explosive power of America's nuclear warheads is 100,000 times greater than the single Hiroshima bomb. And our nuclear war plan keeps many of these weapons on hair-trigger alert
http://www.nrdc.org/nuclear/nwarplan.asp
As London recovers from the latest deadly al-Qaida attack that killed at least 50, top U.S. government officials are contemplating what they consider to be an inevitable and much bigger assault on America � one likely to kill millions, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45203
The government will be busy with internal problems. Then from the oceans, Russia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Central America, Mexico, and two other countries (which I cannot remember) will attack! The Russians will bombard the nuclear missile silos in America. America will burn."
http://www.americaslastdays.com/russians.htm |
Are you currently in a competition to see who can be the biggest fruitloop with fiveeagles? Do you know anything about credibility of sources for that matter? I suggest you take a look at the wiki entry for wnd for a start. Finally, I can't begin to tell you, as someone with a BA in International Relations who is also currently doing an MA in the same, how risable the last one is. Come on, you are smarter than that, are you not? |
Isn't that last one the plot of that super-jingoistic movie, Red Dawn, with Patrick Swayze? |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Russia.. haha.
Russia is too beaten down to even consider wasting its time and energy destroying itself more.. |
Russian economy:
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This recovery, along with a renewed government effort in 2000 and 2001 to advance lagging structural reforms, has raised business and investor confidence over Russia's prospects in its second decade of transition. Russia remains heavily dependent on exports of commodities, particularly oil, natural gas, metals, and timber, which account for over 80% of exports, leaving the country vulnerable to swings in world prices. In recent years, however, the economy has also been driven by growing internal consumer demand that has increased by over 12% annually in 2000-2004, showing the strengthening of its own internal market.
The country's GDP shot up to reach ��1.2 trillion ($1.5 trillion) in 2004, making it the eleventh largest economy in the world and the fifth largest in Europe. If the current growth rate is sustained, the country is expected to become the second largest European economy after Germany (��1.9 trillion or $2.3 trillion) and the sixth largest in the world within a few years. |
This is correct though:
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| There is no threat to them from the US. |
And the rest of your points are correct too. Russia hasn't been sick economically for a few years now, that's all. |
still don't see Russia building up any alliances to go over after the States in any kind of military way though. |
Still thinking that?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/10/putin.us.ap/index.html |
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fiveeagles
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