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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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 Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| Big Mac wrote: |
| Remember...when people say they hate the United States, it's not that they hate you or the majority of the people from there. They hate the politics, foreign policy and what appears to be the predominant thought patterns in American minds towards the rest of the world (ie, we're better than you because we're American). |
I don't even think its that rational. When people say they hate the US, they aren't saying anything more than they hate the little ridiculous cartoon image of America and Americans that various pundits put in their heads. They probably don't have anything else to go by than hearsay, rumor, and joke. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Also, could be envy of the status, power, wealth, and global influence.
In Korea there seems to be this split complex of superiority/inferiority. They're dying to be number one in anything possible, to achieve some recognition in the world. Having a solid economy doesn't seem to be enough. Damn those who have a higher ranking than we do! Also, let's blame them when things go wrong. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:40 pm Post subject: re: |
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| Big Mac wrote: |
| Son Deureo! wrote: |
If the students are children, they will punished swiftly, harshly, and publicly as an example to the rest of the class. Then I will forgive them as they are children and do not know any better.
If they university students, I will take them outside, explain to them why what they said was wrong, and send them home for the day. Then I will forgive them as they are children and do not know any better.
If they are adults, I will take them outside, explain to them why what they did was wrong, ask them why on Earth they thought that was OK, and why they are taking my class in the first place if that is their attitude towards Americans. Then I will immediately march them to the front office and have them permanently removed from my class as they are no longer welcome any class I ever teach.
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The only time I've ever dealt with a kid as swiftly, harshly and publicly as you suggest was when the director's son punched me in the face. That kind of behaviour I will absolutely not tolerate. THAT is disrespectful.
I'm not sure if saying "f..ing USA" is necessarily being disrespectful of the teacher....even if they know you're from there.
They're just saying something they think sounds funny...something they've probably heard elsewhere. You shouldn't take what a little kid says so seriously.
You know, this whole thread reminds me of a conversation I had with some Australians in Australia recently. I was on the train, and it seemed that every time I would try to strike up a conversation with people there the conversation would go silent and they would look at me suspiciously.
Then someone would ask me where I was from in the United States (because of the accent) and I would say "I'm from Canada."
It was like a wave of relief came over them and they would start talking normally again. So I asked a group of them why that keeps happening and they told me that they are afraid of speaking to Americans because they seem to be insulted very easily. But with Canadians they feel like they don't have to worry about what they say. Of course...the conversation turned at that point to how much they hated the United States and George Bush (and I have to admit I participated with glee)...so that may be part of it.
But it's something to keep in mind for the Americans out there who blow up and turn irrational when someone says something bad about their country. |
I will 1st respond to your first smart A** remark on this 3rd page.
You seem to be such a QUACK! You say..."Why are American teachers so surprised when they hear disrespectful comments about their country? And why do they demand so much respect for their country? I'll never get it."
We don't!!! You are putting words in our mouths. The OP did not "demand" respect.
If you allow "HATRED" comments in your classroom about any country you are a QUACK. You should respond to those comments whether they are made by children or adults.
Get with the program Swell Fella. It's obvious you "HATE" America so why don't you do something about it such as join Al Qaeda?
If you "laugh" when children spill "HATRED" then you may as well have joined many Korean Teachers when they clapped and sang out in favor of the 9/11 attacks.
In America we have the "Hate Crime." You being from Canada don't quite get it. So, you are allowed to "HATE" and can act upon your "HATRED" with no additional punishment. I myself am very sick of hearing the word "HATE" on nearly a daily basis. By not responding to "HATE" statements you promote "HATE." Laughing and "HATRED" do not correlate. Who raised you or what school did you go to?
For your vocabulary lesson of the day I will teach you what to teach your students instead of using the word "HATE" which you have no problem with. The word of the day is "DISLIKE." LEARN IT AND TEACH IT!!! If you promote "HATE" In my opinion you are a freakin "HATE" MONGREL!
You might ask the question to your students why they "DISLIKE" this or that which might actually do some good and help them learn why they think what they do or to stir a conversation in the English language. By ignoring and "LAUGHING" off such statements you are nothing more than a QUACK Teacher.
The word "Fuc*ing is not a very good word either. If you don't care about profanity in your classroom then you should find another job as you
would then not be a good role model for your young students. DUH!
I'm surprised you don't allow physical violence in your classroom. I would bet alot of money you have seen it, allowed it, and done nothing about it before. But, if they hit you then it's a different story? DUH! Have you ever been Dong-Chimmed??? I would bet you enjoyed that!!! Have you ever witnessed a Dong-Chime? If you have and did nothing about it then you allow/promote physical violence. You may as well teach your children about dildo usage.
I don't think the OP "BLEW UP" or turned "IRRATIONAL" and I suggest you go back to Australia for another "GLEEFUL" moment.
By the way, the tune that was sung was from the BEACH BOYS. I captured on a camcorder my former employer singing the same tune/words when he illegally entered my house. I provided to the Civil Court the downloaded CD as evidence.
He followed up by saying..."America kill my people." You(Big Mac) sound as much like an "A" hole as he did! |
Actually, Canada has more hate crimes legislation than the States.
By the way, I'm American.
Peace |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| Big Mac wrote: |
Thanks, buymybook, for responding in such a stereotypically American fashion.
There's not a lot I have to say to you. I like the idea of being a "quack" teacher though. It sounds cool.
I never said that I promote hatred or violence in the classroom. I don't allow dong-chims either...and have given some stern looks to kids who have tried it. I think I said in an earlier post that the profanity was a larger issue for me than the comment. Again though, I don't think this was a case of violence, but just a kid saying something he thought was funny.
It's just a country after all. If someone said something directly derogatory about me or about white people in general...well then that's a different story. Even then, I think it's a better policy to talk to them and find out why they think the way they do than to blow up and go crazy.
Remember...when people say they hate the United States, it's not that they hate you or the majority of the people from there. They hate the politics, foreign policy and what appears to be the predominant thought patterns in American minds towards the rest of the world (ie, we're better than you because we're American). |
Stereotypically American fashion?  Lots of people respond in different ways. The nice thing about message boards is you get to see a variety of responses. Lots of responses from Americans on this thread. Lots of different types of responses. |
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angelicboyne
Joined: 06 Jun 2006
Location: Ireland
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| Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:34 am Post subject: |
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Well im irish and i have plenty of american friends and have lived in the states for a while too (legally i might add). However, while we do rely alot on american tourism in Ireland, people do in general make fun of the stereotypical "dumb" american!!! Which is rediculous cus every nationality has its fair share of idiots. But i might add when i lived over there, i had people coming up and asking me do we have electricity, do we still use donkeys' to get around and the most annoying of all - ah yeh your from the UK (eh no we've had independence for like over 80yrs). So these kinda questions do add to the stereotype.
However im never quite sure if the american populace in general are aware of the amount of anti-american feeling there is in europe. Now this has nothing to do with the american people, its completely to do with the politics and esp President Bush. Many Europeans feel the american "your either with us or against us" motto has bullied many european countries into co-operating with America's "War on terrorism" though many believe its simply about controlling the oil!!! There are many rallies, here i myself have been on them because i did not want american soldiers using Shannon airport to refuel before heading to Iraq, because to be that leaves the blood of innocent iraqis on our hands too. But like i said this is simply politics and absolutely nothing to do with the american people themselves. |
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