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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject: Bush and Harper: The Special Relationship |
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From the Washington Post:
For Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, it was the all-important photo op: the grinning handshake with President Bush in the East Room after yesterday's joint news conference.
Then Raghubir Goyal of the obscure India Globe newspaper ruined everything for the visiting premier. "Happy birthday!" Goyal called out to Bush, who was celebrating his 60th. "We share the same date!"
"Today's your birthday, too?" asked a delighted Bush, dropping Harper's hand. "Well, come on up -- let's have a birthday picture. Come on, come on, come on. Come on, come on, get up here! Anybody else have their birthday today?"
Within moments, USA Today's Richard Benedetto took the stage, too. "If we start to get any more, I'm going to start to question it," said a befuddled Harper, who stood off to the side, rubbing his nose, as his photo op disintegrated. "Another one?" Harper blurted out when a sound technician from the State Department, Todd Mizis, joined the group.
Television crews in the rear struck up a round of "Happy Birthday to You." The cameras zoomed in on the four birthday boys, cutting the Canadian out of the action.
For the Americans, it was a bit of harmless fun. For the Canadians, it was another reminder of how little interest Americans have in them.
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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My favourite part:
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When Harper insisted on making all his remarks in French and English, a bored-looking Bush winked at a couple of the American reporters.
The president sprang to life whenever the subject turned to his birthday. |
Here's another article that I wanted to put up here:
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Graham tells Harper not to get too cozy with Bush
TENILLE BONOGUORE
Globe and Mail Update
TORONTO � Prime Minister Stephen Harper should not get too cozy with U.S. President George Bush, Liberal Leader Bill Graham said today.
Instead, Canada must keep its own interests at heart at all times, Mr. Graham told a press conference the day after Mr. Harper held a brief but visibly cozy meeting with Mr. Bush, who repeatedly called the Prime Minister "Steve" or "Stephen" at their joint news conference at the White House.
"A change in attitude which creates a closer, cozier relationship with the American administration has never in the long run been good for Canada," Mr. Graham said today.
"Of course, we have the same interests as the United States in the security of the North American continent. The question is: Do we want to adopt the same attitude and approach that the Americans do, or are we going to remain consistent with our Canadian values?"
Mr. Graham urged the Prime Minister to remain out of the U.S. missile-defence shield and to come clean with the full details of the softwood lumber agreement.
Mr. Harper said Thursday that he would not reopen the debate over whether Canada should join the U.S. plans to construct a missile-defence shield and he ruled out any changes to the April deal designed to end the long-running softwood dispute.
Mr. Harper acknowledged that "missiles that are fired in the direction of the United States constitute a threat to Canada." But despite his once-ardent advocacy of Canada joining the U.S. missile-defence shield, Mr. Harper said he no longer believes the threat warrants reversing the Liberal government opt-out.
"Canada is not prepared to open a missile-defence issue at this time," Mr. Harper said, quickly adding he fully understood "why the United States and others would want to have a modern and flexible defence system against this kind of threat."
Mr. Graham said the former Liberal government "turned the page on missile defence" when it decided several years ago not to participate in the project. He added it's important to maintain that stance regardless of North Korea's recent test-firing of seven missiles.
"This [defence shield] is a program which hasn't worked. It doesn't demonstrate any likelihood of working in the near future. It's something that we don't believe, after close examination, was in the interests of Canada to have stayed in, and I think we should just leave it there."
As Gloria Galloway reported in today's Globe: The U.S. President seemed intent [Thursday] on presenting the image of two friends of like minds getting together to chat about the state of world affairs, suggesting in subtle ways that this bond was very different from the cool and occasionally acrimonious relationship he had with previous Liberal prime ministers.
"I'm proud to have allies like Steve who understand the stakes of the 21st century," Bush said Thursday.
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The best part though were the comments on the Globe and Mail site afterwards showing that Canada is not nearly as anti-American as some on this board would like to believe:
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James CHIPMAN from Canada writes: Listen up folks , this is the Liberals at their finest , crapping on anyone who gets things done for Canada , pity. Dont worry liberals we wont forget the sponsorship scandal , for at least 2 more elections anyway.
Posted 07/07/06 at 12:53 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Arron D from Ottawa, Canada writes: And ask the Liberals about how to keep the best interests of the country at heart. Look at Adscam, GolfScam, the HRDC Scam, the Helicopter Scam, the hercules Scam, the Military Scam, and a couple more I have definitely forgotten, the country's interests at heart, alright. The have written the book on how to do good for Canada, like Volpe and the toddlers, Bob Rae as a serious leadership candidate, the best interests of who again? the best interests of their accountants it seems.
Posted 07/07/06 at 12:55 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Brad Buss from Toronto, writes: sour grapes. What didnt he understand about Harper being all business. There is a neat thing called a relationship that is both amicable and business. Harper struck the perfect balance Achieved the paramount - flexibility to not have passports on the border, no to missile defence and improved relations.
Posted 07/07/06 at 12:58 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Joe Mead from Winnipeg, Canada writes: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha What a liberal snob, telling our ELECTED PM who his friends should be.
Posted 07/07/06 at 12:59 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Looky Leu from Canada writes: Grow up Bill!
Posted 07/07/06 at 12:59 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Matt Stiles from North Vancouver, writes: 'Canada is not prepared to open a missile-defence issue at this time,' What this means in Conservative speak is 'if we had a majority government it would already be done, but we don't, so we'll just have to wait until we do...'
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:02 PM EDT | Link to Comment
A Comment from Toronto, Canada writes: Poor destitute soul! Liberals constantly put self interest ahead of the needs of Canadian.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:02 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Clive Gingell from Ottawa, Canada writes: #1....I fear it's forgotten already. Chuck Guite's lawyer apparently stated that, apart from stealing a couple million dollars of our money, Guite is a model citizen. As Lowell Green said today on CFRA in Ottawa, 'That's not dissimilar to saying that, other than being a serial child murderer, Clifford Olsen was an upstanding guy'. Voters have short memories, and the situation is exacerbated when they don't understand what's happening in the first place.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:02 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Gord Cee from Canada writes: And I thought Graham had perhaps the best brain of any Liberal. On second thought probably he has, the rest of his slimy party probably will soon be making much more stupid remarks
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:06 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Harvey Mushman from Cambridge, Canada writes: Bill who?
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:07 PM EDT | Link to Comment
shawn bull from writes: Don't get to close to the US (our largest trading partner). Wasn't that the Liberal motto for the past 13 years?
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:09 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Dan in ontario from milton, Canada writes: Wow, God forbid we actually have normal relations with the US ... I guess we were better in the long run when they hated our Liberal gov. for beating the insult drum and refusing to negotiate ... remember, we are a net exporter ... mainly to the US.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:12 PM EDT | Link to Comment
The Real P S from Toronto, Canada writes: Prime Minister Stephen Harper should not get too cozy with U.S. President George Bush, Liberal Leader Bill Graham said today. Instead, Canada must keep its own interests at heart at all times, Mr. Graham told a press conference. It's now official, Graham is one card short of a full deck. Having a good relationship and keeping Canada's best interests at heart are not mutually exclusive, in fact they are entirly linked. If one has a good relationship one can far more easily keep one's own interest at heart. To say nothing of the simple common sense that having a good relationship with one's largest trading partner is a good thing. No one has to like every action the US Government makes or even any action the US government makes but there is zero excuse for the racist comments that come from many Libs and NDP folks, Parrish, Martin and many of the regular posters to this board being perhaps the worst.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:13 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Diane Schweik from EDMONTON, Canada writes: When Graham speaks of Canadian values I hope he is not equating them with the traditional Liberal values of entitlement and stealing from the Canadian taxpayer.All the while stuffing the Senate,NPB,Canadian Mint,Canada Post and a slew of other patronage plumbs with retired Liberal bagmen.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:13 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Reality Check from Ottawa, Canada writes: What 'Canadian values' are threatened here? What the heck is Mr. Graham talking about? To suggest that seeking a close relationship with our continental neighbor and trading partner threatens 'Canadian values' is absurd. Come on. We can think for ourselves.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:14 PM EDT | Link to Comment
J Luft from Canada writes: Oh yeah.....like we need to take any advise from Graham. What a joke. It's time for Graham to wake up to the fact that Canada's interests are not synonymous with the Liberal's interests.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:17 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Mr T from Hotlanta, United States writes: Graham: You baby. This continues your confused and aimless leadership. Put your nuts on the block once in a while and say something productive. By productive, I mean by 'Standing Up for Canada' rather than 'Standing Up for Liberals'. For once. What an embarrassment.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:18 PM EDT | Link to Comment
david walters from Canada writes: Here we go again! The Liberals trying to paint Americans (our largest by far trading partner) as the bad guys and anybody that tries to civily deal with them as panderimg. Unfortunately, it has worked for the Liberal's in the past, but I think the majority of Canadians now know it was a tactic that, in fact, worked against the best interests of Canada. I have far more faith in PM Harper to work in the best interests of our country than the Liberal's who contime to work, as before, in the best interests of their party and the next election. Mr. Graham's statement is a typical example.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:19 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Matt Paulsen from Springfield, MO, United States writes: What an idiot Mr. Bill Graham is. So being polite and acknowledging foreign threats to North American security does not reflect 'Canadian values'? How does one define this Graham definition of Canadian values then... head in the sand? From the many postings I've read on here, this mindset reflects many liberals in Canada. I suppose if a North Korean nuke landed on Vancouver resulting in that city melted and destroyed with hundreds of thousands dead, Mr. Graham would say that having taken measures to defend them was not reflective of 'Canadian values'. Were the missile to land on San Francisco, Seattle, or Los Angeles, he would probably be setting off fireworks in satisfaction. 'Friends' like these we don't need. How sad.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:21 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Big D from Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada writes: Maybe someone should tell the Liberals that cozying up to our largest trading partner, neighbour and closest ally is better than cozying upto ad firms and crooks. Thanks for coming out Bill, this is a PM that actually gets stuff done and has done more to improve the country then over a decade of Liberal corruption... now sit down.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:23 PM EDT | Link to Comment |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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The president sprang to life whenever the subject turned to his birthday. |
Life and everything in it really is only about 'me', isn't it? |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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The president sprang to life whenever the subject turned to his birthday. |
Life and everything in it really is only about 'me', isn't it? |
Looks like it. ^^ Reminds me of a certain someone:
blah blah blah...missile defense...blah blah terrorism...blah blah
blah blah softwood lumber...blah blah birthday
BIRTHDAY!
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fiveeagles

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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:13 am Post subject: |
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mithridates wrote: |
My favourite part:
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When Harper insisted on making all his remarks in French and English, a bored-looking Bush winked at a couple of the American reporters.
The president sprang to life whenever the subject turned to his birthday. |
Here's another article that I wanted to put up here:
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Graham tells Harper not to get too cozy with Bush
TENILLE BONOGUORE
Globe and Mail Update
TORONTO � Prime Minister Stephen Harper should not get too cozy with U.S. President George Bush, Liberal Leader Bill Graham said today.
Instead, Canada must keep its own interests at heart at all times, Mr. Graham told a press conference the day after Mr. Harper held a brief but visibly cozy meeting with Mr. Bush, who repeatedly called the Prime Minister "Steve" or "Stephen" at their joint news conference at the White House.
"A change in attitude which creates a closer, cozier relationship with the American administration has never in the long run been good for Canada," Mr. Graham said today.
"Of course, we have the same interests as the United States in the security of the North American continent. The question is: Do we want to adopt the same attitude and approach that the Americans do, or are we going to remain consistent with our Canadian values?"
Mr. Graham urged the Prime Minister to remain out of the U.S. missile-defence shield and to come clean with the full details of the softwood lumber agreement.
Mr. Harper said Thursday that he would not reopen the debate over whether Canada should join the U.S. plans to construct a missile-defence shield and he ruled out any changes to the April deal designed to end the long-running softwood dispute.
Mr. Harper acknowledged that "missiles that are fired in the direction of the United States constitute a threat to Canada." But despite his once-ardent advocacy of Canada joining the U.S. missile-defence shield, Mr. Harper said he no longer believes the threat warrants reversing the Liberal government opt-out.
"Canada is not prepared to open a missile-defence issue at this time," Mr. Harper said, quickly adding he fully understood "why the United States and others would want to have a modern and flexible defence system against this kind of threat."
Mr. Graham said the former Liberal government "turned the page on missile defence" when it decided several years ago not to participate in the project. He added it's important to maintain that stance regardless of North Korea's recent test-firing of seven missiles.
"This [defence shield] is a program which hasn't worked. It doesn't demonstrate any likelihood of working in the near future. It's something that we don't believe, after close examination, was in the interests of Canada to have stayed in, and I think we should just leave it there."
As Gloria Galloway reported in today's Globe: The U.S. President seemed intent [Thursday] on presenting the image of two friends of like minds getting together to chat about the state of world affairs, suggesting in subtle ways that this bond was very different from the cool and occasionally acrimonious relationship he had with previous Liberal prime ministers.
"I'm proud to have allies like Steve who understand the stakes of the 21st century," Bush said Thursday.
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The best part though were the comments on the Globe and Mail site afterwards showing that Canada is not nearly as anti-American as some on this board would like to believe:
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James CHIPMAN from Canada writes: Listen up folks , this is the Liberals at their finest , crapping on anyone who gets things done for Canada , pity. Dont worry liberals we wont forget the sponsorship scandal , for at least 2 more elections anyway.
Posted 07/07/06 at 12:53 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Arron D from Ottawa, Canada writes: And ask the Liberals about how to keep the best interests of the country at heart. Look at Adscam, GolfScam, the HRDC Scam, the Helicopter Scam, the hercules Scam, the Military Scam, and a couple more I have definitely forgotten, the country's interests at heart, alright. The have written the book on how to do good for Canada, like Volpe and the toddlers, Bob Rae as a serious leadership candidate, the best interests of who again? the best interests of their accountants it seems.
Posted 07/07/06 at 12:55 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Brad Buss from Toronto, writes: sour grapes. What didnt he understand about Harper being all business. There is a neat thing called a relationship that is both amicable and business. Harper struck the perfect balance Achieved the paramount - flexibility to not have passports on the border, no to missile defence and improved relations.
Posted 07/07/06 at 12:58 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Joe Mead from Winnipeg, Canada writes: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha What a liberal snob, telling our ELECTED PM who his friends should be.
Posted 07/07/06 at 12:59 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Looky Leu from Canada writes: Grow up Bill!
Posted 07/07/06 at 12:59 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Matt Stiles from North Vancouver, writes: 'Canada is not prepared to open a missile-defence issue at this time,' What this means in Conservative speak is 'if we had a majority government it would already be done, but we don't, so we'll just have to wait until we do...'
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:02 PM EDT | Link to Comment
A Comment from Toronto, Canada writes: Poor destitute soul! Liberals constantly put self interest ahead of the needs of Canadian.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:02 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Clive Gingell from Ottawa, Canada writes: #1....I fear it's forgotten already. Chuck Guite's lawyer apparently stated that, apart from stealing a couple million dollars of our money, Guite is a model citizen. As Lowell Green said today on CFRA in Ottawa, 'That's not dissimilar to saying that, other than being a serial child murderer, Clifford Olsen was an upstanding guy'. Voters have short memories, and the situation is exacerbated when they don't understand what's happening in the first place.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:02 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Gord Cee from Canada writes: And I thought Graham had perhaps the best brain of any Liberal. On second thought probably he has, the rest of his slimy party probably will soon be making much more stupid remarks
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:06 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Harvey Mushman from Cambridge, Canada writes: Bill who?
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:07 PM EDT | Link to Comment
shawn bull from writes: Don't get to close to the US (our largest trading partner). Wasn't that the Liberal motto for the past 13 years?
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:09 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Dan in ontario from milton, Canada writes: Wow, God forbid we actually have normal relations with the US ... I guess we were better in the long run when they hated our Liberal gov. for beating the insult drum and refusing to negotiate ... remember, we are a net exporter ... mainly to the US.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:12 PM EDT | Link to Comment
The Real P S from Toronto, Canada writes: Prime Minister Stephen Harper should not get too cozy with U.S. President George Bush, Liberal Leader Bill Graham said today. Instead, Canada must keep its own interests at heart at all times, Mr. Graham told a press conference. It's now official, Graham is one card short of a full deck. Having a good relationship and keeping Canada's best interests at heart are not mutually exclusive, in fact they are entirly linked. If one has a good relationship one can far more easily keep one's own interest at heart. To say nothing of the simple common sense that having a good relationship with one's largest trading partner is a good thing. No one has to like every action the US Government makes or even any action the US government makes but there is zero excuse for the racist comments that come from many Libs and NDP folks, Parrish, Martin and many of the regular posters to this board being perhaps the worst.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:13 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Diane Schweik from EDMONTON, Canada writes: When Graham speaks of Canadian values I hope he is not equating them with the traditional Liberal values of entitlement and stealing from the Canadian taxpayer.All the while stuffing the Senate,NPB,Canadian Mint,Canada Post and a slew of other patronage plumbs with retired Liberal bagmen.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:13 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Reality Check from Ottawa, Canada writes: What 'Canadian values' are threatened here? What the heck is Mr. Graham talking about? To suggest that seeking a close relationship with our continental neighbor and trading partner threatens 'Canadian values' is absurd. Come on. We can think for ourselves.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:14 PM EDT | Link to Comment
J Luft from Canada writes: Oh yeah.....like we need to take any advise from Graham. What a joke. It's time for Graham to wake up to the fact that Canada's interests are not synonymous with the Liberal's interests.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:17 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Mr T from Hotlanta, United States writes: Graham: You baby. This continues your confused and aimless leadership. Put your nuts on the block once in a while and say something productive. By productive, I mean by 'Standing Up for Canada' rather than 'Standing Up for Liberals'. For once. What an embarrassment.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:18 PM EDT | Link to Comment
david walters from Canada writes: Here we go again! The Liberals trying to paint Americans (our largest by far trading partner) as the bad guys and anybody that tries to civily deal with them as panderimg. Unfortunately, it has worked for the Liberal's in the past, but I think the majority of Canadians now know it was a tactic that, in fact, worked against the best interests of Canada. I have far more faith in PM Harper to work in the best interests of our country than the Liberal's who contime to work, as before, in the best interests of their party and the next election. Mr. Graham's statement is a typical example.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:19 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Matt Paulsen from Springfield, MO, United States writes: What an idiot Mr. Bill Graham is. So being polite and acknowledging foreign threats to North American security does not reflect 'Canadian values'? How does one define this Graham definition of Canadian values then... head in the sand? From the many postings I've read on here, this mindset reflects many liberals in Canada. I suppose if a North Korean nuke landed on Vancouver resulting in that city melted and destroyed with hundreds of thousands dead, Mr. Graham would say that having taken measures to defend them was not reflective of 'Canadian values'. Were the missile to land on San Francisco, Seattle, or Los Angeles, he would probably be setting off fireworks in satisfaction. 'Friends' like these we don't need. How sad.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:21 PM EDT | Link to Comment
Big D from Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada writes: Maybe someone should tell the Liberals that cozying up to our largest trading partner, neighbour and closest ally is better than cozying upto ad firms and crooks. Thanks for coming out Bill, this is a PM that actually gets stuff done and has done more to improve the country then over a decade of Liberal corruption... now sit down.
Posted 07/07/06 at 1:23 PM EDT | Link to Comment |
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Octavius Hite

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Stephan Harper is no idiot the problem is that Bush is. |
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freethought
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harper is not an idiot, no. But many in his party, and many of his supporters are. Politically the Cons have done fairly well to date, though that convention issue should really hurt them. Policywise they're about a c- at best. GST cut was dumb, the chilld tax credit even dumber. The softwood deal is garbage, the list goes on.
As to whether we matter, we matter a great deal, if only for oil reasons. We're the number 1 supplier to the US and all told likely have the largest supply in the world. WE also matter for security reasons. The issue of late has been that the current slate of republicans in power are southern focused, and Mexico is seen as a big problem, whereas Canada is the happy, 'white' neighbour to the north. If we had a bunch of non-english speakign illegals crossing our border then we would be a big focus too.
(for those of you too dumb to figure it out, I am not being a racist, I am accusing other people of being racist) |
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mithridates

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freethought wrote: |
harper is not an idiot, no. But many in his party, and many of his supporters are. Politically the Cons have done fairly well to date, though that convention issue should really hurt them. Policywise they're about a c- at best. GST cut was dumb, the chilld tax credit even dumber. The softwood deal is garbage, the list goes on.
As to whether we matter, we matter a great deal, if only for oil reasons. We're the number 1 supplier to the US and all told likely have the largest supply in the world. WE also matter for security reasons. The issue of late has been that the current slate of republicans in power are southern focused, and Mexico is seen as a big problem, whereas Canada is the happy, 'white' neighbour to the north. If we had a bunch of non-english speakign illegals crossing our border then we would be a big focus too.
(for those of you too dumb to figure it out, I am not being a racist, I am accusing other people of being racist) |
The child credit's pretty good. My two best friends in Canada are having children in a few months and neither of them are sending them to day care so they'll be benefiting from that. |
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Octavius Hite

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The childcare thing is a ripoff, Im not going to ever have children so should I get a check for knowing how to use a rubber? Give me a break, I hate that cheque all its for is smokes and beer. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

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That is just great. Now I want to shake that Indian reporter's hand. I'm sure that Air Farce will have a field day with that. |
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mithridates

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Octavius Hite wrote: |
The childcare thing is a ripoff, Im not going to ever have children so should I get a check for knowing how to use a rubber? Give me a break, I hate that cheque all its for is smokes and beer. |
Are we talking about the same thing? My friends back home are going to be raising their kids at home and the $1200 will be put into RESPs, so that will be $7200 over the first six years with another 12 years for it to mature by the time they go to university. IMO a bad parent will find ways to be bad with or without extra funding but that giving it directly to the parents gives the good ones that much more leeway to put it to good use. |
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laogaiguk

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mithridates wrote: |
Octavius Hite wrote: |
The childcare thing is a ripoff, Im not going to ever have children so should I get a check for knowing how to use a rubber? Give me a break, I hate that cheque all its for is smokes and beer. |
Are we talking about the same thing? My friends back home are going to be raising their kids at home and the $1200 a month will be put into RESPs, so that will be $12000 a year plus interest for 18 years for each one by the time they graduate and go to university. IMO a bad parent will find ways to be bad with or without extra funding but that giving it directly to the parents gives the good ones that much more leeway to put it to good use. |
Why should taxpayers (I can't say me anymore) be paying for that?
Government funded daycares are the best way to...
1) Make sure bad parents don't waste that money
2) Good parents who need to work two jobs have support (1200 dollars is not enough for good daycares for poorer families).
3) People who don't need the money aren't getting it. I feel anyone raising their kids at home don't need the money. If you can't do it financially, then too bad, put them in public daycares like many other people have to. In my opinion, taxpayers should not be helping people who choose to keep them home. |
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cosmicgirlie

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Ohhh the touchy subject of the child care tax credit. It's a shame that after many years and months of hammering down a deal with the provinces the cons are going to undue things moving in the right direction because of their "family values" attitude that are similar to the family values attitude of the US where women stay at home and mind the children and men go to work. It's a shame really.
I'm a mother, who payed through the nose for child care for my daughter while I attended a post secondary institution for 5 years. I'm a hard working mother of a now 8 year old and as a result do not qualify for the child tax benefit for her. Not that I want it all that much anyway. I would rather see it pumped into public run child care spaces so that future parents who wish to attend schooling like myself or single mothers who have to work can have those spaces and have one less cost to worry about. Even with the extra amount allocated via OSAP for child care costs, and the subsidized cost there were times when my space was at risk because I chose to spend money on necessities instead of the fees for her spot. Let me tell you this child tax credit won't amount to $1200 for every parent. It depends, as usual, what your income level is. Some people might only see a cheque for $300 and some might get one for $1200. Either way it's a downright shame.
And don't get me started on single parents who have to work whose children are over the age of 6 who still have to pay for child care costs because their job has them working 9am to 5pm and school is 8am to 4pm. Those parents are never taken into consideration because they've got "school" age children. I won't get into a diatribe about it and bore you all to death. |
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mithridates

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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:57 am Post subject: |
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There are quite a few benefits for parents, but the one we're talking about is the Universal Child Care Benefit (the new one), which is given out at a rate of $100 per month regardless of income. Nobody would be getting $300 a year due to their income.
http://www.universalchildcare.ca/en/home.shtml |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:55 am Post subject: |
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look at it this way... ok. that's 1200 dollars spread over 365 days... doing quick math in my head, that's about $3.27 a DAY!!!! That is totally useless. TOTALLY. You can't enroll a kid in day care for that. You can't even buy a coffee. The other thing to take into account, that money technically will count as income for many people, so that's 1200 a year, minus taxes. You're talking about a bottle of coke a day.
That's not good policy, it's simply not. And about investing the money for the kids.... it's SUPPOSED TO BE FOR CHILD CARE.... NOT INVESTING. |
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