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fiveeagles



Joined: 19 May 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:17 am    Post subject: Ethics for Teachers Reply with quote

From the Inside Flap

We all know that left-wing radicals from the 1960s have hung around academia and hired people like themselves. But if you thought they were all harmless, antiquated hippies, you would be wrong. Today's radical academics aren't the exception�they are legion. And far from being harmless, they spew violent anti-Americanism, preach anti-Semitism, and cheer on the killing of American soldiers and civilians�all the while collecting tax dollars and tuition fees to indoctrinate our children. Remember Ward Churchill, the University of Colorado professor who compared the victims of the September 11 terrorist attacks to Nazis who deserved what they got? You thought he was bad? In this shocking new book, New York Times bestselling author David Horowitz has news for you: American universities are full of radical academics like Ward Churchill�and worse.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895260034/104-7346277-1455950?v=glance&n=283155


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kimchikowboy



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiveeagles sig:
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"I set myself on fire and people come to watch me burn"



Uhh, what is a book?

I'll take neocon psychoblather for $200, Alex.
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fiveeagles



Joined: 19 May 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started this thread a few months ago. Seems like it is relevant now.

This post is a continuation from this thread out of page 6.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=60931

So yeah, I bring God into my discussions with my kids/teens.

For example, I asked my grade 5 kids what the greatest language is? Some said English, others said Korean and so on. I told them that the greatest language they needed to learn was love.

I feel that there is such an emphasis on learning English and what can be gained by it, that something is lost in the ambition. Personally, I would rather see my kids succeed in learning how to communicate their hearts than winning a Pulitzer and that's what I do. I guess it depends on how you see success. So far, my kids have learned 3 levels of English Time, 3 phonics levels and a couple movies and a whole lot of games in 8 months.

In my teens class, we watched the power of one. I don't know if anyone has watched it, but its a superb movie. Anyway, there are references to Religion, both bad and good, themes of redemption, themes of justice. So I taught from my perspective on the negativites and positives.

I also like to teach on inspiring leaders such as Martin Luther King, Lincoln, Nelson Mandela and others who have inspired me and I try to use such examples to teach my kids. Yeah, I am usually inspired by Christian leaders...not communist leaders and/or socialists.

So laogaiguk, I don't feel like it is a fair comparison to compare sex and religion. Jesus's teachings are such that allows for the transcendence of age. Such teachings, I feel bring wisdom and so i try to incorporate them into my teachings. Like the example I used above; to love one another. Simple things like that. I can understand your concern and know the detriment of religion, because I have been there. I have seen and been touched by great evil through religious people.

I guess you have to ask, when are kids taught sex ed and by who. Most are taught by teachers and at an early age. Personally, I wouldn't let my kids be taught by you. No offense, but I know you and I wouldn't want them influenced by you. I am sure you feel the same way. My kids parents know who I am and what I stand for.

So if my non-christian directors were dissatistified with my standard or ethics, I would change my style. However, they are very satisfied with the results and have given me free reign on how I teach and what I teach on.
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ddeubel



Joined: 20 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Five eagles,

I've read your posts for awhile now and I can state there is anything but love in your "makeup" kit.

You may believe there is but it is "psychobabble....". You should do something for your split personality disorder IMO. Ethics more than anything demand CONSISTENCY of action and also that motor, thought. You show none of that atleast in your posts. Especially babbling on about love after a paragraph of sensational hate....

DD
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seoulunitarian



Joined: 06 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:32 pm    Post subject: re: Reply with quote

fiveeagles wrote:
I started this thread a few months ago. Seems like it is relevant now.

This post is a continuation from this thread out of page 6.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=60931

So yeah, I bring God into my discussions with my kids/teens.

For example, I asked my grade 5 kids what the greatest language is? Some said English, others said Korean and so on. I told them that the greatest language they needed to learn was love.

I feel that there is such an emphasis on learning English and what can be gained by it, that something is lost in the ambition. Personally, I would rather see my kids succeed in learning how to communicate their hearts than winning a Pulitzer and that's what I do. I guess it depends on how you see success. So far, my kids have learned 3 levels of English Time, 3 phonics levels and a couple movies and a whole lot of games in 8 months.

In my teens class, we watched the power of one. I don't know if anyone has watched it, but its a superb movie. Anyway, there are references to Religion, both bad and good, themes of redemption, themes of justice. So I taught from my perspective on the negativites and positives.

I also like to teach on inspiring leaders such as Martin Luther King, Lincoln, Nelson Mandela and others who have inspired me and I try to use such examples to teach my kids. Yeah, I am usually inspired by Christian leaders...not communist leaders and/or socialists.

So laogaiguk, I don't feel like it is a fair comparison to compare sex and religion. Jesus's teachings are such that allows for the transcendence of age. Such teachings, I feel bring wisdom and so i try to incorporate them into my teachings. Like the example I used above; to love one another. Simple things like that. I can understand your concern and know the detriment of religion, because I have been there. I have seen and been touched by great evil through religious people.

I guess you have to ask, when are kids taught sex ed and by who. Most are taught by teachers and at an early age. Personally, I wouldn't let my kids be taught by you. No offense, but I know you and I wouldn't want them influenced by you. I am sure you feel the same way. My kids parents know who I am and what I stand for.

So if my non-christian directors were dissatistified with my standard or ethics, I would change my style. However, they are very satisfied with the results and have given me free reign on how I teach and what I teach on.


Dear FiveEagles,

I have two things to ask: (1) If your intention is to teach your students the value of love, are there not non-religious ways to do that, and (2) Do you really only teach about love, or do you sneak in various Judeo-Christian moral positions and sin/redemption motifs as pieces (however small) of any of your lessons?

I am deeply religious, and love talking about religion abd spirituality; however, I would never even think of doing such a thing with any students under the age of 16. Young children should not be impressed with religious dogma of any kind from anyone outside or within the home. They simply cannot make us of their critical thinking faculties at those ages.

Please answer the two questions in my first paragraph. Thank you.

Peace
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seoulsucker



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:40 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Reply with quote

seoulunitarian wrote:
They simply cannot make us of their critical thinking faculties at those ages.


Which is exactly why some factions of organized religion go for the jugular at that age. Sunday school anyone? Get 'em young enough, and the possibilities are endless.
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happeningthang



Joined: 26 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best teacher I ever had was my High school history teacher - a committed, passionate and engaging educator. He taught me about compassion, social equality, and Russian history three years in a row. He was a communist. This guy wore his heart on his sleeve and wasn't shy about admitting his political bent, but at least he was trying to teach us his dogma. He stated his opinions, gave us his examples and encouraged us to argue and think critically.

I got more of an education from him than any other teacher before or since, and maybe that's because he cared enough about his teaching that his ideology didn't come before students.

For Five Eagles to produce some aptly called 'neoconpsychoblather' a brand of hatred and contempt as a way of justifying his message of 'love' doesn't give any confidence that he knows what 'love' is.

fiveeagles wrote:
Yeah, I am usually inspired by Christian leaders...not communist leaders and/or socialists.


So you encourage hatred in the vein of Ann Coulter and Horowitz against communists/ socialists? Or is that just left wing educators?

Simplistic
Contradictory
Just not very Christian....

You're a danger to young minds fiveeagles, because you obviously don't know your own.
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seoulunitarian



Joined: 06 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:22 pm    Post subject: re: Reply with quote

Many people just wear the Christian badge who simply are not Christian. A person can call themself an egg - that doesn't mean they are one.

Peace
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hermes.trismegistus



Joined: 08 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

happeningthang wrote:
You're a danger to young minds fiveeagles, because you obviously don't know your own.


I like this quote.

I'd probably draw a few distinctions happeningthang didn't, but with the same effect.

Mind = software.
Brain = hardware.
Personality = temporary.
Individual = timeless.

I may have said something to the effect of, "You seem like a danger to sustainable development fiveeagles, because your personality has chosen software which obfuscates the individual."

I have difficulty giving someone who references Horowitz and the Bible in the same sentence any modicum of attention.

Namaste.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiveeagles wrote:

I guess you have to ask, when are kids taught sex ed and by who. Most are taught by teachers and at an early age.


Ha. Ha ha ha ha ha. You obviously were never younger than 15.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
Talking about God "within boundaries"? What are the boundaries, exactly?

Also, I'm very curious how and when redemption or morality were brought up in class. Does it happen often? Can you think of some examples where the words came up?



fiveeagles wrote:
I started this thread a few months ago. Seems like it is relevant now.

This post is a continuation from this thread out of page 6.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=60931

So yeah, I bring God into my discussions with my kids/teens.

For example, I asked my grade 5 kids what the greatest language is? Some said English, others said Korean and so on. I told them that the greatest language they needed to learn was love.

I feel that there is such an emphasis on learning English and what can be gained by it, that something is lost in the ambition. Personally, I would rather see my kids succeed in learning how to communicate their hearts than winning a Pulitzer and that's what I do. I guess it depends on how you see success. So far, my kids have learned 3 levels of English Time, 3 phonics levels and a couple movies and a whole lot of games in 8 months.

In my teens class, we watched the power of one. I don't know if anyone has watched it, but its a superb movie. Anyway, there are references to Religion, both bad and good, themes of redemption, themes of justice. So I taught from my perspective on the negativites and positives.

I also like to teach on inspiring leaders such as Martin Luther King, Lincoln, Nelson Mandela and others who have inspired me and I try to use such examples to teach my kids. Yeah, I am usually inspired by Christian leaders...not communist leaders and/or socialists.

So laogaiguk, I don't feel like it is a fair comparison to compare sex and religion. Jesus's teachings are such that allows for the transcendence of age. Such teachings, I feel bring wisdom and so i try to incorporate them into my teachings. Like the example I used above; to love one another. Simple things like that. I can understand your concern and know the detriment of religion, because I have been there. I have seen and been touched by great evil through religious people.

I guess you have to ask, when are kids taught sex ed and by who. Most are taught by teachers and at an early age. Personally, I wouldn't let my kids be taught by you. No offense, but I know you and I wouldn't want them influenced by you. I am sure you feel the same way. My kids parents know who I am and what I stand for.

So if my non-christian directors were dissatistified with my standard or ethics, I would change my style. However, they are very satisfied with the results and have given me free reign on how I teach and what I teach on.


Somewhere buried in there is an answer to my question about when morality and redemption came up, but I'm curious: it was only after you watched the movie "Power of One" that these themes arose?

What about the first questions? You said before that God can be discussed within boundaries. What boundaries?

Honestly, though, a lot of that looked like a vague cover-up job. You're not being direct. You're circumlocuting. Why did you have to come over to this thread to respond? This is my first time ever trying to discuss anything with you, and I'm simply baffled at how bouncy you are. Have you noticed before your inability to communicate clearly and directly?
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember talking about the issue of school prayer with a devout Christian who was complaining about restrictions and I asked him 'if you lived in Utah, would you be all right with the teacher leading your child in Mormon prayers?' Of course he wouldn't. I wonder how FiveBuzzards would feel about teachers using exclusively Muslim examples to teach his children the value of love? What a moron. It's because of idiots like him that I wouldn't be allowed to do things like teach Christmas charols to children back home.

At least 'Christians' like him give teachers everywhere a perfect example to use when teaching what 'hypocrisy' means.
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riley



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Younger kids can be easily molded, and that's why we have to be careful of what we say and do. Why does someone need to tell elementary kids their beliefs when kids will remember the examples better?
Now older students on the other hand, I think it can be a good idea to challenge their thinking and sometimes that means bringing in your own beliefs and telling/explaining them. That doesn't mean saying that it is fact!
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Satori



Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fiveagles you are completely confused. You seem to think you are a public school teacher in America. You are not. You are a language educator in a foreign country teaching a second language, not as part of a unified school curriculum, but in a private insititution where parents pay big money to have thier children learn English, specifically. You have no mandate to teach morality, absolutely none. You are abusing your position in a most obscene way. It repulses me to think that you and I both bare the same job description title...
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Especially babbling on about love after a paragraph of sensational hate....

I'm missing something. Fiveeagles didn't write that; he printed the book flap quote. How is that his hate?

I'm reading into his motives, but FE suggested for discussion a book that claims that many professors have radical or dangerous agendas. I think the book would have been strengthened if it were more balanced-- I'm not sure a fundamentalist, fascist, feminist, or fruitarian extremist is a good choice for professor-- but this is not saying that FE completely supports the thesis of the writer.

He explained that he uses positive examples of role models in his class, many of whom are Christians. I would be careful with such examples that the teacher's beliefs aren't presented as the only option, but are we saying that we should also teach negative examples of role models to children, or that no role models at all should be chosen? How is that his hate?

Some of you immediately made fun of him or mocked him for what he's written. Is that hate a better or more justified form of hate?

Ken:>
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