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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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 Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject: Muslim Crazies Kill Again! |
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This time in India.
150 innocent souls greased.
Hundreds more injured.
Of course, they probably had it coming. How will you liberal apologists defend the latest atrocity? |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:05 pm Post subject: yes |
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This muslim thing is like a volcano about to erupt. I just hope I am nowhere near it when it does.
Good thing I believe in poetic justice. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| How will you liberal apologists defend the latest atrocity? |
Well, considering the thousands of posts on here where "liberal apologists" defend the mass murder of innocent civilians, I'm sure you must have a pretty good idea what we're going to say this time around. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Simply because Muslims are the primary suspects and most obvious target in scapegoating, doesn't mean Muslims actually perpetuated this highly coordinated series of attacks 
Why always the rush to judgement? |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Simply because Muslims are the primary suspects and most obvious target in scapegoating, doesn't mean Muslims actually perpetuated this highly coordinated series of attacks
Why always the rush to judgement? |
You're probably right. It was those Nazi Americans trying to set up the poor Islamists.
Let's see now.
We've got 9/11.
We've got the bombings in Spain.
We've got the bombings in London.
We've got the bombings in Bali.
We've got the riots in France.
We have the deaths of hundreds of children in Russia.
We have the incident in Canada.
We have an American contractor with his head sawed off.
We have a South Korean contractor with his head sawed off.
We have an Italian contractor who was murdered.
By golly, I'd say this is a Global Crisis.
Looks like they really want to kill anyone who isn't Muslim.
But I certainly don't want to jump to conclusions. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Otis, I know of only one person on this board in one instance who has expressed any kind of sympathy for Al Qaeda.
I don't know why you insist that liberals must be with the terrorists if they are not for using the same tactics against them as others. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| otis wrote: |
But I certainly don't want to jump to conclusions. |
You're right to be cautious. Wait until we are all dead before making that judgement. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| That cartoon was the funniest thing I've read in 6 months! TY |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| otis wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Simply because Muslims are the primary suspects and most obvious target in scapegoating, doesn't mean Muslims actually perpetuated this highly coordinated series of attacks
Why always the rush to judgement? |
You're probably right. It was those Nazi Americans trying to set up the poor Islamists.
Let's see now.
We've got 9/11.
We've got the bombings in Spain.
We've got the bombings in London.
We've got the bombings in Bali.
We've got the riots in France.
We have the deaths of hundreds of children in Russia.
We have the "incident" in Canada.
We have an American contractor with his head sawed off.
We have a South Korean contractor with his head sawed off.
We have an Italian contractor who was murdered.
By golly, I'd say this is a Global Crisis.
Looks like they really want to kill anyone who isn't Muslim.
But I certainly don't want to jump to conclusions. |
I didn't say it was "AmeriKa's NAZIS", did i? 
Whether radical "Muslims" were behind this well cordinated attack or not remains to be seen.
It might help to clear things up if a group came out & claimed responsibility.
Global crisis thanks in good part to PNAC & the Zionist inspired "neo" -"cons".
Bombings in BALI ... isn't one of the main players in that now out of jail? Somewhat ironic.
You buy the official 9/11 line?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psy-Ops |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| You buy the official 9/11 line? |
Of course not!
I firmly believe that George Bush, Dick Cheney, and the evil Neo-Cons are responsible for killing the citizens of America.
See, I'm a goofy nut-job, just like you. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think people know what kind of world we are talking about........this part of India is ruled by sectarian violence and especially violence of the communist / proletariat parties against the financial class...
This is the probable case here, even though the suspects, culprits may be Muslim (there are MANY of them there, was the Oaklahoma bombing done as a Christian act????).
I read a very insightful article last week about how wrong so many are - labeling India as a developing nation when actually it is getting much poorer and there is a greater threat of violence because of the thin crust of rich that forever makes a mockery of the rest of India. A real crisis as the author put it, and we in the west are duped into thinking all in fine in India, no poverty, call centers, lots of jobs...........ain't the case.
Lay off the Muslim thing with this one. These rats had other things in mind.....
DD |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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This has nothing to do with Communism or poverty.
This has to do with Kashmir--another home for the zany Islamists. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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I found the Times article about the Myth of the NEW India....interesting backdrop and interesting considering it was published only a week before the bombing...
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The myth of the new India
Pankaj Mishra The New York Times
Published: July 6, 2006
LONDON "India is a roaring capitalist success story." So says the latest issue of Foreign Affairs; and last week many leading business executives and politicians in India celebrated as Lakshmi Mittal, the fifth richest man in the world, finally succeeded in his hostile takeover of the Luxembourgian steel company Arcelor. India's leading business newspaper, The Economic Times, summed up the general euphoria over the event in its regular feature, "The Global Indian Takeover": "For India, it is a harbinger of things to come - economic superstardom."
This sounds persuasive as long as you don't know that Mittal, who lives in Britain, announced his first investment in India only last year. He is as much an Indian success story as Sergey Brin, the Russian- born co-founder of Google, is proof of Russia's imminent economic superstardom.
In recent weeks, India seemed an unlikely capitalist success story as Communist parties decisively won elections to state legislatures, and the stock market, which had enjoyed record growth in the last two years, fell nearly 20 percent in two weeks, wiping out $2.4 billion in investor wealth in just four days. This week India's prime minister, Manmohan Singh, made it clear that only a small minority of Indians will enjoy "Western standards of living and high consumption."
There is, however, no denying many Indians their conviction that the 21st century will be the Indian Century just as the 20th was American. The exuberant self-confidence of a tiny Indian elite now increasingly infects the news media and foreign policy establishment in the United States.
Encouraged by a powerful lobby of rich Indian-Americans who seek to expand their political influence within both their home and adopted countries, President George W. Bush recently agreed to assist India's nuclear program, even at the risk of undermining his efforts to check the nuclear ambitions of Iran. As if on cue, special reports and covers hailing the rise of India in Time, Foreign Affairs and The Economist have appeared in the last month.
It was not so long ago that India appeared in the American press as a poor, backward and often violent nation, saddled with an inefficient bureaucracy and, though officially nonaligned, friendly to the Soviet Union. Suddenly the country seems to be not only a "roaring capitalist success story" but also, according to Foreign Affairs, an "emerging strategic partner of the United States." To what extent is this wishful thinking rather than an accurate estimate of India's strengths?
Looking for new friends and partners in a rapidly changing world, the Bush administration clearly hopes that India, a fellow democracy, will be a reliable counterweight against China as well as Iran. But trade and cooperation between India and China is growing; and, though grateful for American generosity on the nuclear issue, India is too dependent on Iran for oil (it is also exploring developing a gas pipeline to Iran) to wholeheartedly support the United States in its efforts to prevent the Islamic Republic from acquiring a nuclear weapon. The world, more interdependent now than during the Cold War, may no longer be divided up into strategic blocs and alliances.
Nevertheless, there are much better reasons to expect that India will in fact vindicate the twin American ideals of free markets and democracy that neither Latin America nor post-Communist countries - nor, indeed, Iraq - have fulfilled.
Since the early 1990s, when the Indian economy was liberalized, India has emerged as the world leader in information technology and business outsourcing, with an average growth of about 6 percent a year. Growing foreign investment and easy credit have fueled a consumer revolution in urban areas. With their Starbucks-style coffee bars, Blackberry- wielding young professionals, and shopping malls selling luxury brand names, large parts of Indian cities strive to resemble Manhattan.
Indian tycoons are increasingly trying to control marquee names like Taittinger Champagne and the Carlyle Hotel in New York. "India Everywhere" was the slogan of the Indian business leaders at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, this year.
But the increasingly common, business-centric view of India suppresses more facts than it reveals. Recent accounts of the alleged rise of India barely mention the fact that its per capita gross domestic product of $728 is just slightly higher than that of sub- Saharan Africa and that, as the 2005 United Nations Human Development Report puts it, even if it sustains its current high growth rates, India will not catch up with high-income countries until 2106.
Nor is India rising very fast on the report's Human Development index, where it ranks 127, just two rungs above Myanmar and more than 70 below Cuba and Mexico. Despite a recent reduction in poverty levels, nearly 380 million Indians still live on less than a dollar a day.
Malnutrition affects half of all children in India, and there is little sign that they are being helped by market reforms, which have focused on creating private wealth rather than expanding access to health care and education. Despite the growing economy, 2.5 million Indian children die annually, accounting for one out of every five child deaths worldwide; and facilities for primary education have collapsed in large parts of India (the official literacy rate of 61 percent includes many who can barely write their names). In the countryside, where 70 percent of India's population lives, the government has reported that about 100,000 farmers committed suicide between 1993 and 2003.
Feeding on the resentment of those left behind by the urban-oriented economic growth, Communist insurgencies (unrelated to India's parliamentary Communist parties) have erupted in some of the most populous and poorest parts of north and central India. The Indian government no longer effectively controls many of the districts where Communists battle landlords and police, imposing a harsh form of justice on a largely hapless rural population. The potential for conflict - among castes as well as classes - also grows in urban areas, where India's cruel social and economic disparities are as evident as its new prosperity. The main reason for this is that India's economic growth has been largely jobless. Only 1.3 million out of a working population of 400 million are employed in the information technology and business processing industries that make up the so-called new economy.
No labor-intensive manufacturing boom of the kind that powered the economic growth of almost every developed and developing country in the world has yet occurred in India. Unlike China, India still imports more than it exports. This means that as 70 million more people enter the work force in the next five years, most of them without the skills required for the new economy, unemployment and inequality could provoke even more social instability than they have already.
For decades, India's underprivileged have used elections to register their protests against joblessness, inequality and corruption. In the 2004 general elections, they voted out a central government that claimed that India was "shining," bewildering those who had predicted an easy victory for the ruling coalition.
Among the politicians whom voters rejected was Chandrababu Naidu, the technocratic chief minister of one of India's poorest states, whose forward- sounding policies, like providing Internet access to villages, prompted Time magazine to declare him "South Asian of The Year" and a "beacon of hope."
But the anti-India insurgency in Kashmir, which has claimed 80,000 lives in the last decade and a half, and the strength of violent Communist militants across India, hint that regular elections may not be enough to contain the frustration and rage of millions of have-nots, or to shield them from the temptations of religious and ideological extremism.
Many serious problems confront India. They are unlikely to be solved as long as the wealthy, both inside and outside the country, choose to believe their own complacent myths.
Pankaj Mishra is the author of "Temptations of the West: How to Be Modern in India, Pakistan, Tibet and Beyond." |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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This has nothing to do with Communism or poverty.
This has to do with Kashmir--another home for the zany Islamists. |
Otis,
You are about as aware of world geography as Mr. Cheney! Pitiful. Please note Mombai on the map and the few thousand kilometres of distance between it and Kashmir, also the language/ethnic differences. Ain't no Kashmir trouble there but as the financial capital of India Mombai does get its share of attention by those disgruntled due to poverty and inequity. ......... the recent rise of the communist party in India is of great concern as is the vast territory the defacto already control in other parts (and not just deomocratically but control militarily as a quasi state).
Please leave your Muslim bashing for another time, preferably among those as ignorant and low calorie fed as yourself.
DD
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