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Muffin
Joined: 01 Mar 2006
Location: Turkey
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| Just wondering, if you say you can't pay the fine do they deport you at the expense of the state? I have always refused to do privates (I am much too lazy apart from not wanting to pay a fine/go to prison) but a free ticket home and a ban on coming to SK for 5 years, I could be up for that! It could be worth doing a private or two and anonymously grassing myself to immigration! |
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Neil
Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: Tokyo
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:40 am Post subject: |
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Got done once....it was a mixture of bad luck and poor judgement. I was working at this place and waiting for the visa run......the writing was on the wall that this place was rubbish (late with pay ect) but I was skint so couldn't quit and lose my loot. Anyway two fellas from immigration came over and saw me teaching, chatted to the boss and went away. I got a summons a few days later to go to Mokdong. I decided I was deep enough in it already so thought honesty was the best policy (maybe that was a mistake I still don't know) and told them the truth. My situation was I left my old school after 18 months on good terms as I wanted to move into Seoul and found a new job. The new employer got the letter of release from my old school and said they would send me on a visa run asap..........after one month they fired me (non american accent was the reason I suspect, try as I might I couldn't get a coherant reason from them and to be honest was happy to leave asap) so not having the funds to get out of the country I took the shite, late pay job where I got busted.
Paragraghs are great I should use them more often. Anyway after my confession I sat at home and waited for ages for them to get in touch (chase them up is my advice, immigration seem to be busy and forget about people) when I went in I was fined a million won and told to get out in 15 days. Thankfully I had a good friend and some small savings which allowed this. My real punishment was getting a super good public school job (low hours, awesome pay) and them turning down my E2 application because of my past crimes.
I'm a little bit bitter because some people did take advantage of me and put me in that situation but if push comes to shove I should have researched my situation better and handled it better. I do think the punishment was out of proportion to the crime (I'm qualified and whilst not a super teacher I feel I give my students value for money) but it's their country and they can do what they wish.....I'm sure a Korean caught working illegally in the UK isn't going to get sunshine and smiles.
The rule on privates is strange and I'd like to hear the reasoning behind it. I know if privates were legal the price would go down and TBH I don't care. I think a private teacher has to preform to a far higher standard than a hagwon teacher.............after all if your teaching is shite then the private student isn't going to book a second lesson. Whilst a legal on an E2 can be as crap as he/she wants as long as the sprogs gets games the parents will keep on paying.
It seems to me privates being illegal is counterproductive to Koreans getting a decent English education and I can't see the logic in it. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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Back when I used to teach, I got busted once.
My first year, at a hagwon, I used an agent to line up some extra work.
Then the "IMF Crisis" hit, and the agent couldn't pay, so some disgruntled teacher dropped off all her info re the agent at Immigration on her way out of the country.
The whole agency was shut down, and they got a lot of information on over 120 teachers.... anyone who was in the country was busted. The ones who were totally illegal (on tourist visas) actually ended up better off, (in the short term) because they couldn't be found. I was found through my new work visa at a uni.
Meanwhile, at my new uni job (6 months after the original bust), I got a message saying that immi wanted to see me.... and bring my passport.
They did good cop/bad cop, wanted me to write and sign a confession, and kept my passport until I could pay a fine equal to the amount of money I'd earned. They actually knew how much I'd made, because of the records they found, which wasn't that much. (500$)
I was fully legal as far as my visas the whole time. If you're on a tourist visa, you're toast.
Paid my fine, got my passport back, and had a black mark on my record. It never interfered with getting approval for anything, including tv or other work. (As long as my uni approved.)
It happens. My advice is if you're going to do privates, don't leave a paper trail. Use a pseudonym, too. Simple one on ones are probably safest. |
I'll bet those cops had fun at the noraebang that night. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Muffin wrote: |
| Just wondering, if you say you can't pay the fine do they deport you at the expense of the state? I have always refused to do privates (I am much too lazy apart from not wanting to pay a fine/go to prison) but a free ticket home and a ban on coming to SK for 5 years, I could be up for that! It could be worth doing a private or two and anonymously grassing myself to immigration! |
You usually get a free ticket home when you finish your contract. And you never have to come back to South Korea again. You don't need to get banned for that.  |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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As for the rule on privates it is to prevent the children of rich parents getting a better education then the children of poor parents.
Would you rather work for 50,000 won an hour or 5000 and a free meal? |
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mlindber
Joined: 22 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Here's a dumb question. I'm currently wanting to quit my job, switch to a D4 visa, and study Korean for the next year. However, I'm concerned about what I'm going to do about money. Is teaching privates illegal just for E2s or for all non-F2 visas? |
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livinginkorea
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
Location: Korea, South of the border
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Here's a dumb question. I'm currently wanting to quit my job, switch to a D4 visa, and study Korean for the next year. However, I'm concerned about what I'm going to do about money. Is teaching privates illegal just for E2s or for all non-F2 visas? |
Teaching illegally is for everybody! Loads of students here do it especially university ones. |
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mlindber
Joined: 22 May 2006
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| Teaching illegally is for everybody! Loads of students here do it especially university ones. |
It seems to be more tolerated, but I'm wondering if I can actually be in the open about it. I need about 900,000 a month to survive, and I could do that with privates, but it'll be hard. |
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antoniothegreat
Joined: 28 Aug 2005
Location: Yangpyeong
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| Jamin wrote: |
I was caught teaching privates about 6 years ago. They took me to the immigration office and I had to write a confession.
I was not kicked out of the country. I simply paid my fine. In fact, after I paid my fine they did not even put a note in my file.
What they do is contact your employer. If your employer chooses to "fire you' you are forced to leave the country.
It is not that big of a deal.
To be clear if you are a working visa (E2, etc) they teaching privates is not an act that leads to deportation. However, teaching on a tourist visa does lead to deportation.
Just as a side note. I used to teach immigration workers. They said that there favorite people to catch were those teachers having affairs with married Korean women. This and not teaching privates while on a work visa leads to deportation.
By the way, the fine was about 2 000 000 won |
how do they know who is having affairs? obviusly the foreigner isnt going ot tell anyone, sure the wife wont say anything.... |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| It's a double standard. They want to fornicate and come onto foreign and Korean women, but god forbid you talk to a Korean woman. Ooh my! |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:19 am Post subject: |
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| Jamin wrote: |
I was caught teaching privates about 6 years ago. They took me to the immigration office and I had to write a confession.
I was not kicked out of the country. I simply paid my fine. In fact, after I paid my fine they did not even put a note in my file.
What they do is contact your employer. If your employer chooses to "fire you' you are forced to leave the country.
It is not that big of a deal.
To be clear if you are a working visa (E2, etc) they teaching privates is not an act that leads to deportation. However, teaching on a tourist visa does lead to deportation.
Just as a side note. I used to teach immigration workers. They said that there favorite people to catch were those teachers having affairs with married Korean women. This and not teaching privates while on a work visa leads to deportation.
By the way, the fine was about 2 000 000 won |
how do they know who is having affairs? obviusly the foreigner isnt going ot tell anyone, sure the wife wont say anything.... |
The security guard at the foreigner's apartment, the front desk person at the 'love motel' , the nosy adjuma who makes her business to pry...there's always someone to notice.
Not to mention that a good number of foreigners come here with a party attitude "This is a different country, I can act with abandon here because I can always leave." Throw alcohol and testosterone into the mix and you have a accident waiting to happen. |
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| bump for the newbies |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| good boy! |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| I think there is a lot of misinformation going on in this thread. I'd caution people against taking anything that is said as concrete and instead refer them to immigration. |
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simone
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Now Mostly @ Home
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| I think there is a lot of misinformation going on in this thread. I'd caution people against taking anything that is said as concrete and instead refer them to immigration. |
I will stand by everything I've said. PM me if you need further details.
I believe that if you are caught doing something "little", and are on a legal visa at the time, you'll pay a fine. Of course, this was in 2000...
Long term ramifications of a black mark on my record? None that I've noticed...
Of course, there was that HILARIOUS time when they didn't want to give me an E2 because my passport was issued in Montreal, I went to McGill, my married last name looks a little "frenchy", and my hometown is in Ontario but definitely has a "frenchy" sounding name.
Ergo, Hence therefore and thus, she can't be a native English speaker! I could imagine them at immi high fiving each other.
They were a bit embarassed when I showed them my old passport with half a dozen pages of E2 visas stamped in it, and showed them that my home town is clearly in white bread Ontario.
It's fun walking into immgration just laughing at them. What were they going to do? Make me take a TOEIC test? Even Quebecois can legally teach if their English is good enough.... |
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