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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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umm....why do we listen to South Korea more than North Korea???
It seems unfair to only listen to the democratic free one. |
Are you serious?
Look at their human rights record.
-Is south korea systematically killing thousands of their own people?
-Are they signing up 14 old virgins to be concubines for the army.
-Is S.Korea ignoring the rest of the world to advance it's own political agenda? |
It's true, I think he's serious. Strangely enough Sundubuman's always been a fan of North Korea. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: Why don't Americans listen to Palestinians |
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Why don't Americans listen to Palestinians?
Racism, bigotry, too much Israel lobby? Perhaps the idea that lurking behind the Palestinians is Al Queda et al. Both sides can write persuasive essays but after you check facts - both sides are equally distasteful choices. Its annoying. |
Exactly. I have never understood why we have to listen to either side.
A pox on the them both. And their fellow travelers like sunjubuman, subverting the U.S. from inside. |
sunjubuman....nice one fogfart. |
Sorry, but your fellows the Israelis are of the same basic stock as their close cousins the Arabs, and their ways and beliefs have little in common with the core values of the United States. Shame on you and their lobby for bribing politicians to try to make us think they do. |
And your fellows the South koreans are of the same basic stock as their close cousins the North koreans, and their ways and beliefs have little in common with the core values of the United States. Shame on you and the Korean lobby for bribing politicians to try to make us think {as} they do.
well said dogfart. |
What? |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: Why don't Americans listen to Palestinians |
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| dogbert wrote: |
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Why don't Americans listen to Palestinians?
Racism, bigotry, too much Israel lobby? Perhaps the idea that lurking behind the Palestinians is Al Queda et al. Both sides can write persuasive essays but after you check facts - both sides are equally distasteful choices. Its annoying. |
Exactly. I have never understood why we have to listen to either side.
A pox on the them both. And their fellow travelers like sunjubuman, subverting the U.S. from inside. |
sunjubuman....nice one fogfart. |
Sorry, but your fellows the Israelis are of the same basic stock as their close cousins the Arabs, and their ways and beliefs have little in common with the core values of the United States. Shame on you and their lobby for bribing politicians to try to make us think they do. |
If your people were constantly the target of genocide and agendas of eradication and racism for more than 2000 years, don't you think you'd agree with protecting the only place on earth where you've been able to live relatively freely for the last 58 years?
Peace |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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yeah, you know us americans and our canadian brothers have such a poor, sad history in our treatment of our jewish populations. During the past 58 years? AWFUL, let me tell you.
Yes, I know, both Canada and the US turned away Jews when they tried to arrive from Europe right before WW II, but hey, when they did manage to enter, don't think they were harshly treated, certainly not any more than other first generation immigrants.
Come on seoulunitarian, look in your own backyard will you? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Plus, if Israel is so indispensable to Jewish survival, how come millions of Jews around the world seem quite content to stay where they are? |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 2:54 am Post subject: Re: Why don't Americans listen to Palestinians |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
| sundubuman wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
| dulouz wrote: |
Why don't Americans listen to Palestinians?
Racism, bigotry, too much Israel lobby? Perhaps the idea that lurking behind the Palestinians is Al Queda et al. Both sides can write persuasive essays but after you check facts - both sides are equally distasteful choices. Its annoying. |
Exactly. I have never understood why we have to listen to either side.
A pox on the them both. And their fellow travelers like sunjubuman, subverting the U.S. from inside. |
sunjubuman....nice one fogfart. |
Sorry, but your fellows the Israelis are of the same basic stock as their close cousins the Arabs, and their ways and beliefs have little in common with the core values of the United States. Shame on you and their lobby for bribing politicians to try to make us think they do. |
And your fellows the South koreans are of the same basic stock as their close cousins the North koreans, and their ways and beliefs have little in common with the core values of the United States. Shame on you and the Korean lobby for bribing politicians to try to make us think {as} they do.
well said dogfart. |
I agree with you, putz. Oy gevalt! |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe they want to kill you because you won't listen to them. |
They want to kill us because we are infidels. It's quite simple. You don't believe in Allah, then you are the enemy. |
No, you are simple, not to mention racist. I don't suppose it occurred to you that most Muslim individuals want nothing more than to live their lives free from molestation, like any other group of people on this earth. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe they want to kill you because you won't listen to them. |
They want to kill us because we are infidels. It's quite simple. You don't believe in Allah, then you are the enemy. |
No, you are simple, not to mention racist. I don't suppose it occurred to you that most Muslim individuals want nothing more than to live their lives free from molestation, like any other group of people on this earth. |
Yes you are right deadman
However Al Qaeda , Hezzbollah are fascist hate groups.
Bathism and Khomenism, Bin Ladenism and all the similar stuff are fascist ideologies there followers and supporter are all fascist bigots who don't accept the idea of coexistance.
They have to give up their war. Sadly they won't because it is not in their nature.
If they don't want to give up their war then they need to be forced to, and the US is justified in doing anything and everything to force them to do so. |
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Kuros
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It's kind of boring that so many people think America should do the right thing in every situation, and that in complicated situations the right thing could be so clear and easily accomplished.
We don't listen to the Palestinians because we stopped caring about them after Clinton made his offer in '99 and Arafat refused. And Israel is an important ally. What does Palestine have to offer? |
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sundubuman
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:33 am Post subject: |
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It's kind of boring that so many people think America should do the right thing in every situation, and that in complicated situations the right thing could be so clear and easily accomplished.
We don't listen to the Palestinians because we stopped caring about them after Clinton made his offer in '99 and Arafat refused. And Israel is an important ally. What does Palestine have to offer? |
what does israel have to offer?
Economically speaking it has something to offer, but otherwise? |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| deadman wrote: |
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| Maybe they want to kill you because you won't listen to them. |
They want to kill us because we are infidels. It's quite simple. You don't believe in Allah, then you are the enemy. |
No, you are simple, not to mention racist. I don't suppose it occurred to you that most Muslim individuals want nothing more than to live their lives free from molestation, like any other group of people on this earth. |
Nice. You said maybe they want to kill you because you won't listen to them? Wouldn't that be racist? Look at how easily you snapped. Slapping me with the racist tag.
Maybe, I should have explained myself better, but I don't see anything moderate about Islam. Look at what happened with the pictures of Allah. It almost started WW3. Unfortunately, the moderates of Islam are the ones who go to work to pay for the radical clerics to condemn anything democratic. Sure there are moderates and I have a few of them as my friends, but their voices are drowned out by those who hate.
Unfortunately, in this world, the extremes usually get the attention. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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religion is not moderate in its nature. just look in the mirror there fiveeagles  .
(no, I'm not equating you with the violent actions of some religious fanatics) |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:12 am Post subject: |
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It's kind of boring that so many people think America should do the right thing in every situation, and that in complicated situations the right thing could be so clear and easily accomplished.
We don't listen to the Palestinians because we stopped caring about them after Clinton made his offer in '99 and Arafat refused. And Israel is an important ally. What does Palestine have to offer? |
what does israel have to offer?
Economically speaking it has something to offer, but otherwise? |
Israel, if nothing else, does not use terroristic means against the U.S.
My explanation, however, is more basic. I just do not have any problem or tend to get lost in the post-modernist nonsense. I mean, it is fine in any theoretical discussion. But in the real world, we sometimes must chose sides and stand with friends -- faulty or not.
We believe that Israel has a right to exist. Others have a right to exist too, but we are not going to stand by and watch them destroy Israel in the name of "everyone has an equally valid perspective and is equally right" confusion and indecision.
The world is not perfect and it is not peaceful either.
There is a fight going on here, one that involves us very much. Where do you stand? (That's an impersonal "you," by the way, Bucheon, as I am sure I know where you stand already, and I do share some of your misgivings, too.) |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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I believe that's a fair argument Gopher.
Israel did withdraw from Lebanon. I, for one, felt confident that that would be the end of hostilities there.
But I'm still divided. Kidnapping soldiers is not necessarily an attempt to destroy Israel.
As such, I'm unsure of the magnitude of its response.
There needs to be a recognized Palestinian state, I believe, before all fo this can be sorted out proper.
And Lebanon now bears a strong resemblance to Paletine under Arafat.
I don't think Arafat was really controling/calling the shots for all of the militants there.
Did the Lebanese government order the kidnappings?
Or was it a rogue action?
Perhaps we'll never know for certain, but once the attacks started, the government jumped in.
And guerilla war now makes a very strong case for itself.
I don't think the Lebanese people have been turned against their government because of the situation there.
Apparently the Israeli plan is to strong-arm Lebanon.
Key question: will strong-arming work? |
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