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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know. I think that there are many kinds of living entities - ranging from angelic to demonic, including varieties of ghosts and spirits - that most people ordinarily don't see.
Drug experiences are confusing... You may be perceiving real spirits or experiencing chemically-induced hallucinations. (But whatever is seen in hallucinations probably really exists somewhere in infinity ... ) |
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Troll_Bait

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| I've personally experienced being under the grip of powerful ghosts (probably brahman raksasas - demons who target devotees ) - and I had to concentrate all my effort to chant the holy name of KRISHNA! to get rid of them. (Loudly chanting the name "Christ" or any other name of God should also work...) |
How about "Jesus Tapdancing Christ"? Would that work? |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Guys, guys, guys.
Sleep paralysis is a common condition experienced by millions of people the world over and does not mean you are being visited by ghosts or demons. It's a dream! A freaky kind of dream but a dream! Jeez.....It's 2006 people!! It's not the middle-ages when everything weird was put down to a supernatural influence. |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:13 am Post subject: |
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Science discounts the existence of the soul, which is a nonphysical element, because there is no physical proof of it. Consequently, despite their ability to explain practically all physical phenomena through relativity theory and quantum mechanics they cannot logically explain consciousness - which is a symptom of the soul.
Thus (to continue the bluff that they can know it all...) they have to try to debunk anything that suggests that there is a soul. The mind, although material, is more subtle than the brain. Although there is a correlation between mental activities and chemical and electrical processes in the brain, the mind - the suble covering of the soul - can wander from a particular body during out-of-body experiences.
Out-of-body experiences (OBEs) are really nothing new. Everyone has had them, for dreams are nothing less than an out-of-body experience. During sleep, we enter the dream state when our subtle body (consisting of mind, intelligence and ego) leaves the gross form and enjoys a different reality on the subtle plane. The subtle body is the vehicle which carries the soul out of the body and into another, new body at the time of death.
http://www.harekrishna.com/col/books/KR/cb/chapter7.html
People who need to have everything "proved" to them empirically by scientists lack common sense. If you eat a big meal and feel satisfied do you need a scientist to explain that to you? No, just by "gut feeling" you're convinced. Similarly, (as a matter of consciousness...) if someone thinks he's experienced a ghost (which is a soul with just a different kind of subtle body ...) he -or- she don't need no stinkin' atheist scientists explaining that a scene like this one (below) is theoretically impossible...
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rothkowitz
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| Its yer own reflection.Goodness,yr not the brightest.I mean really........... |
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KittyLover
Joined: 20 May 2006
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:49 am Post subject: |
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People who need to have everything "proved" to them empirically by scientists lack common sense. If you eat a big meal and feel satisfied do you need a scientist to explain that to you? No, just by "gut feeling" you're convinced. Similarly, (as a matter of consciousness...) if someone thinks he's experienced a ghost (which is a soul with just a different kind of subtle body ...) he -or- she don't need no stinkin' atheist scientists explaining that a scene like this one (below) is theoretically impossible...
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Feeling full is not hard core proof that one has eaten everything they need to. I would think it's theoretically possible to tap into the part of the brain that rewards us for eating and some how block it. So the "gut feeling" is part of our physical system, it's not necessarily a case for faith.
I suppose that scientists cannot prove that ghosts are impossible, but you saying that proof is not necessary does not make a strong case for your point.
I have experienced these dreams as well. Sometimes they seem random, other times they don't. I believe these dreams explain why so many people believe in alien abductions, fairies, ghosts, so on and so forth. |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| I believe that if one is sober one can know if he (or she) has experienced something or not. Science may not be able to detect phenomena that are too subtle too be measured. Just because physical proof is absent doesn't mean that the person didn't experience a ghost or whatever... |
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OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: Hoke-y-gun
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| I have found Koreans to be much more believing in succubi/incubi than the general N. American public. |
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OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: Hoke-y-gun
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:18 am Post subject: |
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And i don't even remember any of my dreams .
i sleep and i wake up
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Damn...what do you take? I want some! |
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drumpounder

Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| I believe that if one is sober one can know if he (or she) has experienced something or not. Science may not be able to detect phenomena that are too subtle too be measured. Just because physical proof is absent doesn't mean that the person didn't experience a ghost or whatever... |
I agree. I have experienced, that is seen and heard, things that cannot be explained by the physical laws as we know them. Please note I was not at those times under any chemical or alcoholic influence. At times I was with a friend or girlfriend who witnessed those events as well.
Those who have experienced similar things will believe, as I believe their stories. Those who have not probably won't. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| One of the perks of being raised in a superstitious, fundamentalist Christian family is that an incident like this is immediately determined to be an attack by Satan. I was chosen by God for some reason to do some great thing, and Satan was there to scare me off. So, the parents took cooking oil and rubbed it across the frame of my door. It wouldn't be for another 10 years that I found out, by absolute chance, what had actually happened. Btw, my parents don't believe the scientific explanation. They still think it was Satan. |
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| God people like you piss me off. Why? Because I was raised by people like you, and spent 10+ years of my life suffering from severe mental durress due to my brainwashing that told me a demon was always watching me, always following me. At any moment, Satan could attack. I developed severe psychological problems and had to go through years of therapy to reverse this kind of crap that tortured my mind. Yes, people that spread this ridiculous garbage piss me off. It's not just harmless fun. |
hmm.. these two quotes resonate well with me. similar background with the parents.
ties in with all this Middle East stuff happening now.. the end of the world is imminent and all that jazz. as much as i've tried to cleanse myself of 'all that'.
anyways.. these 2 posts resonate well with my own demons (demons being christian parents with intense propoganda to 'teach')
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Back on topic.. was browsing through the OBE section in the bookstore (out-of-body experiences).. interesting in a few chapters of the few books I was browsing also spoke of 'sleep paralysis'.. and tied it into astral travel, etc. People who experience 'sleep paralysis' are more in tune with or capable of OBE during the sleep, etc.
There was even an odd mention of 'laughing' or 'taunting' at the moment of separation of the astral body with the physical body during sleep as well.. something which resonates with me during my 'sleep paralysis' experiences. Astral Travelers speak of ignoring those voices, and are common at the point of departure of astral travel.
Anyways.. just more food for thought here.. a divergence. |
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holeinthesky
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Location: Sadang.
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Wow
I just read this thread for the first time. Its a little scary but also reassuring. I've had VERY similar experiences to many of you posting here - The Fonz, TigerBeer, SoulKitchen etc.
Very, very similar, I just don't feel comfortable describing them here.
And the two most terrifying ones occurred in Korea.
I have also had a 'peaceful' experience/vision at a hut in Jirisan Mountain. This one I do feel comfortable describing.
I woke up in the morning to see a young guy holding a coffee standing at the end of my bed, his weight on one leg, looking comfortable and peaceful. Wearing a red/blue plaid shirt and 1970's style hair-do. As I sat up and stared at him, I said, "good morning, who are you? Is it time to go?" (we had a 5am hike planned). I was the ONLY one in the hut because it was a women-only hut and there was only my boyfriend at the time and 2 old men (short hair) in the men's hut. He faded away in a few seconds. |
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own_king

Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Location: here
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| holeinthesky wrote: |
Wow
I just read this thread for the first time. Its a little scary but also reassuring. I've had VERY similar experiences to many of you posting here - The Fonz, TigerBeer, SoulKitchen etc.
Very, very similar, I just don't feel comfortable describing them here.
And the two most terrifying ones occurred in Korea.
I have also had a 'peaceful' experience/vision at a hut in Jirisan Mountain. This one I do feel comfortable describing.
I woke up in the morning to see a young guy holding a coffee standing at the end of my bed, his weight on one leg, looking comfortable and peaceful. Wearing a red/blue plaid shirt and 1970's style hair-do. As I sat up and stared at him, I said, "good morning, who are you? Is it time to go?" (we had a 5am hike planned). I was the ONLY one in the hut because it was a women-only hut and there was only my boyfriend at the time and 2 old men (short hair) in the men's hut. He faded away in a few seconds. |
Are you sure it wasn't just some perverted ajossie checking you out while you sleep? |
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holeinthesky
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Location: Sadang.
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| own_king wrote: |
Are you sure it wasn't just some perverted ajossie checking you out while you sleep? |
LOL!!  |
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