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trigger123
Joined: 08 Sep 2004
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| well i liked it so everyone who disagrees with me is wrong |
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trigger123
Joined: 08 Sep 2004
Location: TALKING TO STRANGERS, IN A BETTER PLACE
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:45 am Post subject: |
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...and another thing, yes there was a dedication to christopher reeve and his wife at the end of the film.
...bible-based story? they said the same about the matrix... spiderman... the great escape... the incredibles... american pie.. i dunno, debbie does dallas. what the hell?! if you're looking for the arch-jewish / far-right christian movie conspiracy then you'll find it, don't worry.
alternatively you could eat your popcorn, shut your mush and enjoy it for what it is, 2 and a bit hours of entertainment |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| trigger123 wrote: |
alternatively you could eat your popcorn, shut your mush and enjoy it for what it is, 2 and a bit hours of entertainment |
Oh trust me, I do try that with a lot of movies. Highlander, say. But I didn't find this movie very entertaining, no matter how much I tried to put my brain out to pasture. |
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hermes.trismegistus
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh trust me, I do try that with a lot of movies. Highlander, say. But I didn't find this movie very entertaining, no matter how much I tried to put my brain out to pasture. |
Do you consider yourself a fan of Superman?
Namaste. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| hermes.trismegistus wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Oh trust me, I do try that with a lot of movies. Highlander, say. But I didn't find this movie very entertaining, no matter how much I tried to put my brain out to pasture. |
Do you consider yourself a fan of Superman?
Namaste. |
I liked the movies from the late '70s, '80s. I've never bought a superman comic. |
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Bronski
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:59 am Post subject: |
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I thought Routh was generally good as Superman, but his Clark Kent didn't do it for me. He needed to be a bit more goofy and awkward and a bit less mopey. That's what makes nerds like me relate to him. Superman II got it right when Kent gets his powers back and beats the crap out of that redneck.
Bosworth was too serious. She's much better-looking than Margot Kidder, but not half as charming.
Throwing the kryponite island into space was boring and anti-climactic. Though everything was anti-climactic after the kick-ass plane sequence.
In general, like Batman Begins, I thought this movie took itself too seriously. It needn't be as over-the-top ridicious as Superman III, but a little silliness works in a comic book movie. Superman II has it all, including one of the best one-liners in film history:
"Kneel before Zod!" |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:07 am Post subject: |
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Holy cr@p! People write theses on this stuff?
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The Flinders University of South Australia
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[1] Holy subtexts abound within the popular cinema. Superman: The Movie (1978) and Superman II (1981) were examined as a protracted secular analogue of the Jesus story. The literature was reviewed and twenty Superman-Jesus parallels plus eight Christic personalistic traits were explicated. It was concluded that Superman is not only a legitimate Christ-figure, but the American pop culture movie Messiah. |
Tax money at work. What a freakin' waste.
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| ...bible-based story? they said the same about the matrix... spiderman... the great escape... the incredibles... american pie.. |
Actually, "The Matrix" was based on Christianity, but on gnostic Christianity. The idea that there there exist two parallel worlds, the material and the spiritual, and that the spiritual world is actually more "real" than the material one is very much a gnostic Christian idea. And who could Trinity be, except Mary Magdalene, to Neo's Jesus?
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| I've never bought a superman comic. |
I have. If they want some fresh ideas, they should look at some of the comics' story-lines. Seriously. In the comics, when Lex broke into the Fortress of Solitude, he stole, among other things, a Kryptonian war-machine, which was an armed spaceship with an anthropomorphized body. With it, Lex engaged in hand-to-hand combat with Superman and almost killed him. In the movie, what does Lex steal? Crystals that grow. Geez.
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Superman II got it right ...
Superman II has it all, including one of the best one-liners in film history:
"Kneel before Zod!" |
Agreed. Superman II stands head-and-shoulders above the rest. |
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hermes.trismegistus
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Troll_Bait wrote: |
| Actually, "The Matrix" was [not] based on Christianity, but on gnostic Christianity. The idea that there there exist two parallel worlds, the material and the spiritual, and that the spiritual world is actually more "real" than the material one is very much a gnostic Christian idea. And who could Trinity be, except Mary Magdalene, to Neo's Jesus? |
Not exactly. Have you seen "Return to the Source"?
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| If they want some fresh ideas, they should look at some of the comics' story-lines. |
Agreed, but generally good comic-stories have poor screen-translations that seldom draw a crowd. They were looking for wide appeal. I'm surprised they chose to release it then, rather than wait a month or so after "Pirates ~" runs its course.
As for being to dark, a matter of opinion, IMO. Supes wouldn't work as broody, but adding the element of the child introduces a new burden that could work to complicate his rather white/black Universe.
Namaste. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| After I saw Superman Returns, I watched Superman I again. It put me to sleep. |
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Merlyn
Joined: 08 Dec 2004
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I was never a big fan of the orignal superman movies. I thought the new one was good, not great. I liked the new Superman better than Reeve's. I like the new Lois better than the ugly sickly previous looking Lois. I still prefer Smallville to them all. I really couldn't get too excited about the new Superman movie just because we've already seen so much more depth in the Smallville episodes, granted a lot of the episodes seem a bit repeated these days. The effects they use in the tv show are about as good as anything we see in the movie so that certainly didn't blow me away by watching Superman Returns. I look forward to the upcoming season premier of the new and possibly last Smallville season then I did Superman Returns. Still, it was a good movie. |
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