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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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 Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject: Iran waging a stealth war |
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The Hand That Feeds the Fire
Behind The Crisis: How Iran is wielding its influence to wage a stealthy war against Israel and America.
By Christopher Dckey, Kevin Peraino and Babak Dehghanpisheh
Newsweek
July 24, 2006 issue - The cool rage of Hassan Nasrallah crackled over the telephone line to a Beirut television station. Israeli jets had just tried to kill him from the air, destroying his home and office. "You wanted an open war, and we are ready for an open war," the Hizbullah leader warned. His missile-armed militia would reach deep into Israel. "Our homes will not be the only ones to be destroyed, our children will not be the only ones to die," he vowed. "You wanted to change the rules of the game? You don't know who you're fighting."
He had a point. Israel's nearby enemy was clear enough. The crisis began in Gaza on June 25, when a corporal in the Israeli Army was taken hostage by Hamas guerrillas. Then it exploded across the region last week after Hizbullah guerrillas crossed into Israel to snatch two more soldiers, killing eight. Israel's reaction was swift, brutal and massive. Its forces took the whole of Lebanon hostage, treating the state on its northern border just as it treated the Palestinian territory to its south, tearing apart highways, blockading ports, blowing up the runways and fuel dumps at Beirut's international airport�setting out not only to free the hostages but to eliminate Hizbullah once and for all. Yes, this was war. Nasrallah was right about that.
But battles�and battle lines�are rarely if ever simple in the Middle East. Nasrallah knows that. So do the Israelis, who saw hidden hands behind the Lebanese and Palestinian militants. They accused Syria, which harbors the Hamas leadership in exile and has a longstanding alliance with Hizbullah in Lebanon, of complicity. But they also saw the long arm of their ultimate enemy, Iran�the creator of Hizbullah, a patron of Hamas, the ally of Syria, the provider of rockets that struck 22 miles deep into Israel last week and a missile that crippled an Israeli warship. Iran, developer of nuclear technology and eventually, perhaps, nuclear weapons.
In an exclusive interview with NEWSWEEK's Richard Wolffe, President George W. Bush said he thinks those suspicions are legitimate: "There's a lot of people who believe that the Iranians are trying to exert more and more influence over the entire region and the use of Hizbullah is to create more chaos to advance their strategy." He called that "a theory that's got some legs to it as far as I'm concerned."
One aim of "those who perpetuate violence," said Bush, would be to disrupt the international consensus against Iran's nuclear-enrichment program. Hizbullah launched its attack on Israel the same day that foreign ministers from the permanent members of the United Nations Security Council and Germany agreed to push ahead with demands that Iran suspend its nuclear efforts. The second part of the Iranian strategy, Bush suggested, would be to "create conditions such that moderate governments tend to step back in fear, and the vacuum would then be filled by the proponents of an aggressive ideology."
For more than 50 years, the Middle East's wars have been the world's wars. Greater powers have used lesser ones as proxies, and battles between large states have been fought out in smaller ones�often in weak, divided Lebanon. But skirmishes can turn quickly to conflagrations, and calibrated violence can escalate suddenly into atrocity with unpredictable and enduring consequences. As fighting raged last week, global shocks were quick in coming. Oil prices soared to record highs�above $78 a barrel�and the troubled skies over Beirut filled with thunderous echoes of the bloody past: massive Israeli assaults on southern Lebanon in 1978 and 1996, and the full-scale invasion of 1982 that sucked the United States into a nightmare of truck-bombings and hostage-takings.
Bush's decision to invade Iraq as part of the "global war on terror" made America a party to the conflicts on the ground as never before. Saddam Hussein's regime, loathsome as it was, provided a strategic balance to the power of a radicalized Iran. Now the invasion has put Washington head-to-head with Tehran. The confrontation is military, economic, political, ideological, direct and indirect, overt and covert�and on several fronts the Iranians appear to have outmaneuvered the administration. Prominent Iranian journalist Mashallah Shamsolvaezin, who is also an expert on Lebanese affairs, suggests that Tehran's next step, far from making war, will be to present itself as a peacemaker. "This will present another opportunity to show its regional power," he said.
At the foreign ministers' meeting in Paris last week, there was general consternation at the Iranian-backed violence on the ground in the Middle East. "But what can we do?" one senior European diplomat asked. "It's all part of the same problem [with Iran], but we cannot tackle it all 'cosmologically.' We have to take it on piece by piece." Each set of players linked to Iran has its own interests, and the Tehran regime itself seems seriously divided. The Iranian challenge is not a Gordian knot that can be sliced through in one bold stroke. It's a bag full of knots, each of which has to be untied and, if possible, untangled from the rest.
Hizbullah: Iran created the Shiite Lebanese militia Hizbullah�the "Party of God"�after Israeli troops stormed into Beirut in 1982. Initially trained by Iran's Revolutionary Guards, the group continues to receive extensive funding and weapons from Tehran, including the arsenal of more than 13,000 short- and medium-range rockets and missiles now being used to attack Israel. According to terrorism analyst Magnus Ranstorp, an expert on Hizbullah who is now at the Swedish National Defence College, Hizbullah's decision-making council normally includes two Iranians. "Hizbullah is not a Lebanese organization, it's a proxy for Iran," says Ephraim Sneh, a former Israeli general and Labor Party member of the Knesset. "Nasrallah has never carried out an operation on this scale without his masters."
On Friday Nasrallah gleefully announced that his group had hit an Israeli warship off the coast of Lebanon. The vessel was badly damaged by the radar-guided weapon, identified by the Israelis as a C-802 antiship missile assembled in Iran. "There are very clear fingerprints of Iranian involvement," Brig. Gen. Ido Nehushtan told NEWSWEEK. Even so, the officer admitted, "whether it was operated by Iran, I can't confirm." Other senior Israelis were less cautious in their claims. Former Mossad director Danny Yatom says Iranians have been launching Hizbullah's longer-range rockets, like the ones that hit the Israeli port city of Haifa last week. "The finger that pulled the trigger was an Iranian finger," he declares�although U.S. and British intelligence sources say they doubt it.
In a broader sense, nothing Nasrallah does could be accomplished without Iranian backing, but he has also become a power in his own right. Last year, after Syrian troops were forced to withdraw from Lebanon by international pressure and massive street protests, Nasrallah's strength actually increased. The same U.N. Security Council Resolution 1559 that required the Syrian pullout also called for the disarming of militias. Hizbullah refused, and there was no force in the country strong enough to take it on. "Today, Nasrallah is the dictator of Lebanon," says Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Shimon Peres. "He has his own army. He doesn't ask anybody what to do, least of all the Lebanese government."
Nevertheless, Israel says the massive destruction of vital Lebanese infrastructure is intended to show Lebanon's people the price they will pay for Nasrallah's decision to instigate a war. "You know that we are doing the right thing, and that if we succeed, Lebanon would be the beneficiary," Israel's U.N. Ambassador Dan Gillerman told Lebanon's envoy as they appeared before the Security Council last week.
The trouble is, anger against the Israelis is almost certain to grow even faster than against Hizbullah. Many Lebanese owe a great deal to Hizbullah's clinics, schools and other basic social services in the areas it dominates�underwritten, of course, by hundreds of millions of dollars from Iran. When Israel finally decided to withdraw completely from southern Lebanon in 2000, after relentless pressure from Hizbullah's guerrilla attacks, the organization achieved heroic status not only in Lebanon, but throughout the Muslim world. Nasrallah, especially, emerged as a charismatic leader, his speeches carried regionwide by Hizbullah's own Al Manar satellite television station.
Part of Nasrallah's mystique is as a man of his word. He vowed to oust Israel from Lebanese land, and he succeeded. But Nasrallah also vowed to free hundreds of captured Lebanese in Israeli jails. In 2004 he ransomed an Israeli businessman for 400 prisoners, but others remained in jail. By late last year Nasrallah was on the prowl again, looking for new captives to use as bargaining chips in another swap. In November the Israelis announced that they'd thwarted an attempt by Hizbullah to take Israeli soldiers as hostages. It should have been no surprise when members of the Hamas military wing in Gaza adopted a similar strategy last month to try to win the release of some of the 10,000 Palestinians in Israeli prisons.
The Palestinians: There's no more potent issue in the Muslim world than the fate of the Holy Land, and Iran has been looking for a piece of that righteous action since the early days of the Khomeini revolution. As if to underscore the point, the unit of Iran's Revolutionary Guards charged with carrying out operations abroad, including terrorism, is called Al Quds�which is the Arabic name of Jerusalem. Tehran has pledged at least $50 million to help underwrite the embattled Hamas government elected in January. But it's the clandestine ties that are of most concern to Israel, its neighbors and the United States.
The alliance between Hizbullah and Hamas dates back to 1992, when Israel rounded up hundreds of Hamas activists and dumped them in no man's land, on the Lebanese side of the border. The Beirut government refused to let the militants travel any farther, and they found themselves stranded on barren hillsides that were, in fact, under Hizbullah's control. The two groups have serious religious differences: Hamas follows a militant Sunni strain of Islam, and Hizbullah is Shiite. All the same, Hizbullah offered tents and food to the stranded Palestinians, and the friendship grew from there.
Jordan's security services, fearful that their territory might become a base�or a target�for terrorist attacks, have tracked the Iranian connection very closely. Jordanian intelligence sources, declining to be named because of the sensitivity of security issues, recall that by 1997 their government was arresting and interrogating Hamas members who had received, in the words of one veteran security officer, "religious, military, counterinterrogation and even intelligence training in Iran." Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal was living in Jordan at the time, and that's where the Israelis tried to assassinate him. When he recovered, he made several trips to Tehran before the Jordanians told him not to come back, in 1999.
Iran's support for the Palestinian militants only continued to grow. After the second intifada against Israel began in 2000, the Israelis intercepted boatloads of arms sent from Iran or through Hizbullah to Palestinian guerrilla groups. The last ship, intercepted in 2003, was a fishing trawler carrying not only munitions and manuals from Lebanon to Gaza, but a Hizbullah bomb-maker as well.
Meshaal ended up in Syria, where he remains with a high public profile. Last week he met reporters at the Four Seasons Hotel in the capital. His ties to the Syrian government? "It's clear we have bad relations," he joked. "That's why I'm giving a press conference in Damascus." And his links to Hizbullah? "They are part of the resistance [to Israel], so of course we have contacts."
The Syrians: Posters on walls all over Damascus last week showed President Bashar al-Assad flanked by Nasrallah on one side and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on the other. Syria is the go-between, the vital link between Iran and Hizbullah, as well as between Iran and Palestinian radicals. Assad's father, the dictator Hafez al-Assad, always took care to keep control of the troublesome proxies he used against Israel. In 1987, when members of Hizbullah grew so cocky that they started humiliating Syrian troops at checkpoints in Beirut, Assad had several of them lined up in their barracks and shot. But Bashar is much weaker, and much more dependent on Iran�virtually his only ally. Last month Damascus and Tehran signed a military agreement to establish "a joint front against Israel." The pact includes a commitment promising unrestricted passage through Syria for Iranian arms shipments to Hizbullah.
The Iraqis: Tehran scarcely needs Syrian help to infiltrate Iraq. Iran's influence is pervasive there already. The Baghdad press reported last week that the Iranians had allocated $1 billion to develop Iraq's telecommunications industry and integrate the two countries' systems. Iran sponsors book fairs, supports the pilgrimage of millions of Iranians to Shiite holy places in Iraq and provides transportation for Iraqi pilgrims going the other way to shrines in Iran.
Iran also exerts a much more sinister presence. Residents of Basra report that members of the Iranian intelligence service operate openly in their city's streets. Iranian agents are said to have infiltrated the militias, the political parties and the Iraqi security services. U.S. officials believe that Iran gave Iraqi insurgents know-how to build the shaped-charge IEDs that have been so effective in attacking Coalition forces�a technique perfected by Hizbullah guerrillas against the Israelis. Although Iran presents itself as the defender of Shiites in Iraq's worsening sectarian warfare, it has also had at least a passing relationship with Al Qaeda terrorists who have made every effort to instigate a blood feud between Sunnis and Shiites. The late, unlamented Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi initially made his way from Afghanistan to Iraq in 2001 through Iranian territory, and some intelligence reports suggest a more extensive relationship with Iran, at least in the early days of his terrorist career.
Iran's clerics have deep ideological differences with the nettlesome Shiite leader Moqtada al-Sadr. Even so, Tehran supports him and his Mahdi Army militia, which has repeatedly been linked to ferocious death-squad killings. "I used to fight for free," a former member of Sadr's forces told NEWSWEEK, "but today the Mahdi Army receives millions of dollars every month from Iran in exchange for carrying out the Iranian agenda." Part of the program: assassinations of prominent Sunnis and former Iraqi military officers who fought against Iran in the 1980-88 war. The United States would not like to confront, again, the kind of simultaneous Sunni and Shiite insurrections it faced in 2004, but tensions are fierce. "The government is unable to do anything to control the Mahdi Army," says Sheik Abu Muhammad al-Baghdadi, a well-connected figure in the Shiite holy city of Najaf. "This Army is a bomb set to go off in the near future."
The Iranians: When Tehran's chief nuclear negotiator, Ali Larijani, met last week with the European Union's Javier Solana and delegates from Britain, France, Germany and Russia, they expected he'd make some counteroffer to their proposed package of incentives for Iran to stop its nuclear-enrichment program. But no. "If he'd come with a partial response, we could have kept on," said one of the Europeans in the room, who asked not to be identified because of the confidentiality of the discussion. "But he came with no response. Instead, he kept saying that all this was entirely about 'regime change,' so why talk at all?"
European and American officials were surprised by the obstinacy, but also intrigued. Larijani arrived in Brussels with what one described as a "huge" delegation, suggesting the various members were keeping an eye on each other. "It could be that they have not made up their minds," said the official.
Perhaps. Iranian bloggers and other commentators suggest the regime is badly divided over Ahmadinejad's radical rhetoric, and the risks he is running in the confrontation over nuclear arms. Nevertheless, as soon as the fruitless talks in Brussels had adjourned, the delegation went straight to Damascus. And the next day, Nasrallah started his war.
With Richard Wolffe in St. Petersburg, Joanna Chen and Dan Ephron in Jerusalem, Scott Johnson in Baghdad, and Mark Hosenball and John Barry in Washington |
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13881857/site/newsweek/
Yes Iran never does anything against the US 
Iran ought to give up their war. Then there would be no problem. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo, you are so naive. Who do you think are the pros at stealth wars? |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
| Who do you think are the pros at stealth wars? |
Trapped in a U.S.-centric worldview and unable to see anything else.
Many, many nation-states have waged and continue to wage stealth wars throughout human history. Any nation-state who has counted in world affairs, as a matter of fact.
Your specious allegation notwithstanding, the U.S., being an open and democratic society, simply has never been able to successfully wage a stealth war -- that is, all have come into the open pretty much immediately, from the Bay of Pigs to Iran-Contra.
You think that because of this history, then it is only the U.S. who is a "pro" in waging stealth wars? And you call Joo naive?
Rather than heaping yet more opprobrium onto the United States, I suggest you ask why it is that Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran, among others, do not declassify documents or convene and hold independent investigations into their govts' foreign policies, something which might have been the subject of this thread before you attempted to derail it by innuendo and by expressing contempt for Joo. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
| Joo, you are so naive. Who do you think are the pros at stealth wars? |
The US probably is good a stealth wars. But why is Iran waging a stealth war?
I think the reasons why an entity wages a war ought to be considered.
And Irans reasons for its war are quite sinister. No one was aggressive to Iran when the Shah was in power. Why was that?
Why is Iran all of a sudden in conflict? Cause the ruling Ayatollahs of Iran and their supporters are aggressive and expansionist and cause
they hate other religions.
Iran has done stuff like kill translators of the Satanic Verus all over the world . It wasn't cause the were facing a security threat. They want to destroy Israel even though Israel and Iran had cordial relations when the Shah was in power.
Khomeni had an agenda to take the mideast. Was that cause Khomeni faced a security threat?
I bring this up all the time but take a look Khaddafy gave up his war (more or less ) and now the US doesn't bother him.
If Iran would just do as Khaddafy has done there wouldn't be much of a problem.
The US isn't infringing on Libyas soverignty and the US wouldn't bother Iran if they gave up their war.
Please consider that.
By the way is there anything in this post that you would take issue with? |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| canuckistan wrote: |
| Who do you think are the pros at stealth wars? |
Trapped in a U.S.-centric worldview and unable to see anything else.
Many, many nation-states have waged and continue to wage stealth wars throughout human history. Any nation-state who has counted in world affairs, as a matter of fact.
Your specious allegation notwithstanding, the U.S., being an open and democratic society, simply has never been able to successfully wage a stealth war -- that is, all have come into the open pretty much immediately, from the Bay of Pigs to Iran-Contra.
You think that because of this history, then it is only the U.S. who is a "pro" in waging stealth wars? And you call Joo naive?
Rather than heaping yet more opprobrium onto the United States, I suggest you ask why it is that Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran, among others, do not declassify documents or convene and hold independent investigations into their govts' foreign policies, something which might have been the subject of this thread before you attempted to derail it by innuendo and by expressing contempt for Joo. |
Calm down Gopher. And don't put words in my mouth. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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That's fine, then.
Please answer the question you posed. And explain how it contributes to the OP, and why it was necessary to call Joo "naive." |
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laogaiguk
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Rather than heaping yet more opprobrium onto the United States, I suggest you ask why it is that Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran, among others, do not declassify documents or convene and hold independent investigations into their govts' foreign policies, something which might have been the subject of this thread before you attempted to derail it by innuendo and by expressing contempt for Joo. |
If that ever happened I would almost definitely soil myself right there and expect the end of the world. Those countries will basically have to become a new country (or entity) long before they do that. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
That's fine, then.
Please answer the question you posed. And explain how it contributes to the OP. |
And what, engage in the usual lengthy battle of URL "news" links? C'mon G, you and Joo are awake and alive in this world are you not? Every country with any kind of substantial GDP has their own ways of doing things. That includes stealth wars. My quip was thrown out there for you to ponder while the both of you take your usual positions.
Carry on. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
| My quip was thrown out there for you to ponder while the both of you take your usual positions. |
This is revelation indeed.
The U.S. govt has engaged in covert operations and waged stealth wars.
This fact changes everything with respect to the events we are witnessing in the Middle East.
I really had no idea. I'm sure Joo had no idea, either. Imagine that: the U.S. govt has waged stealth wars.
Now everything is clear. Thanks, Canuckistan. Excellent contribution to the discussion: "thrown out there for you to ponder." Because, before, you know, I would never have believed such a thing.
But let me ask you this: is Washington's running of several covert operations in the context of the Cold War and the Containment doctrine the moral equivalent of Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran's running covert operations designed to assassinate infidels like Rushdie or political dissenters or to bring about the annihilation of an entire people?
And, no, I do not agree with what is apparently your fundamental premise that two wrongs make a right, by the way.
I am amazed that your husband, who, as a commissioned Army major, as you have described, and who must hold at least a "secret" clearance, is married to a woman of foreign nationality and who holds such negative views of the U.S. govt as you, incidentally, someone who cannot bear to discuss Iranian covert operations without recentering the discussion on the U.S., thus validating Tehran's case and perspective, each and every time. What is his position in the Army? |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I am amazed that your husband, who, as a commissioned Army major, as you have described, and who must hold at least a "secret" clearance, is married to a woman of foreign nationality and who holds such negative views of the U.S. govt as you, incidentally, someone who cannot bear to discuss Iranian covert operations without recentering the discussion on the U.S., thus validating Tehran's case and perspective, each and every time. What is his position in the Army? |
Gawd you're stupid. And still trying to put words in my mouth.
Carry on. |
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Gopher
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That's fine. I am "stupid" and Joo is "naive."
And I apologize if I put words into your mouth.
But you did put these words on this board and then coyly refused to explain what you meant...
| Canuckistan wrote: |
| Joo, you are so naive. Who do you think are the pros at stealth wars? |
So I would ask you, again...
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| Please answer the question you posed. And explain how it contributes to the OP, and why it was necessary to call Joo "naive." |
And "carry on" has lost it's novelty here, especially if you are going to use it to express scorn each and every time you post. Incidentally, we are not in the military and you are not my superior officer. So, as I am sure you must be aware, it is quite meaningless for you to say it, unless it is purely meant to show that you feel superior.
Is that what you mean when you say "carry on"? |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
That's fine. I am "stupid" and Joo is "naive."
And I apologize if I put words into your mouth.
But you did put these words on this board and then coyly refused to explain what you meant...
| Canuckistan wrote: |
| Joo, you are so naive. Who do you think are the pros at stealth wars? |
So I would ask you, again...
| Gopher wrote: |
| Please answer the question you posed. And explain how it contributes to the OP, and why it was necessary to call Joo "naive." |
And "carry on" has lost it's novelty here, especially if you are going to use it to express scorn each and every time you post. Incidentally, we are not in the military and you are not my superior officer. So, as I am sure you must be aware, it is quite meaningless for you to say it, unless it is purely meant to insult.
Is that what you mean when you say "carry on"? |
A little fused this evening?
Read this very slowly:
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| Every country with any kind of substantial GDP has their own ways of doing things. That includes stealth wars. |
No surprise there.
Oh those bad Iranians!!!
Everyone is at it in the M.E. You don't know the half of it. |
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Gopher
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You know, when I compare your posting behavior with that of the other moderators, you don't seem like a moderator.
In any case, how does your antagonistically-worded assertion contradict or undermine Joo's sarcastic point that the article he cites shows how "Iran never does anything against the US," in the context of several ongoing discussions here where some posters have alleged that the Arab Middle East just wants peace and it is only Israel and its patron, the Great Satan, who keep things stirred up there (and elsewhere).
And why was it necessary to make your point by calling him "naive" at the outset? That is, why are you angry about this? |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| why are you angry about this? |
I'm not angry.
And I know nothing, so we'll leave it at that. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
That's fine, then.
Please answer the question you posed. And explain how it contributes to the OP. |
And what, engage in the usual lengthy battle of URL "news" links? C'mon G, you and Joo are awake and alive in this world are you not? Every country with any kind of substantial GDP has their own ways of doing things. That includes stealth wars. My quip was thrown out there for you to ponder while the both of you take your usual positions.
Carry on. |
You mean the, 'Joo, you're so naive' quip? How thought-provoking. |
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