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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:42 am Post subject: No Korean! |
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Man, I hate it.
You know? When the class starts waltzing in and yammering on in their native language while you're sitting at the computer or when you're getting ready to go after your last class and they're yammering on yet again. You tell them to stop or to go outside your classroom if they want to speak Korean. Some do and others remain in the classroom and just start speaking again. I asked them today if they had minds like steel traps. I screamed so fuking hard at them before going home.
Before this last class, I complained to my boss about this. He said that if anyone speaks Korean to send them to him. Then he spoke to my last class before I started (in Korean). But they forget. They don't listen. Even one little bit p1sses me off. No shuffling of books, no rummaging through pencil cases. No noise whatsoever. Korean in the classroom is noise. It's my zone. There is no compromise.
My boss used that line "They're only children" today. What the hell's that? So fuking what! If they're children, they should do what I say. They're not fuking babies. Simple enough.
Of course Korean is used to learn vocabulary, grammar, and to translate sentences, but this is very minimal. Doesn't warrant one student asking another to borrow a pencil or aksing what page we're on in Korean.
Don't get me wrong. My classes are not out of control, but I have to have complete control.
Some of you might come on here providing me with advice on disciplinary tactics, but I'm not interested in something I'm already familiar with. I'm not into the doing the push-ups, holding the book over the head, writing lines, etc. deal. It's just shut-up or get out with me. And don't tell me that you're tired to let me know that you don't want to do the book today. Especially if you say "Tired" in a whiny voice. That's not even proper English. You're tired? Gee, that's too bad. Look at the tears rolling down my cheeks. |
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Kimchieluver

Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| I'm tired. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| Another day, another dollar. |
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mister_joseph

Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Location: we lost the signal
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| well, even truly bilingual people have one language which is stronger than the other. Do you think that yelling at them will make them be quiet? Quite the opposite. School teachers get them to call down, not yell at them. That just leads to more chaos. Besides, do you understand what they are saying? is everybody who does not speaking english saying something bad? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| If your post is how you really feel, maybe you should step back and consider a different career choice. If, on the other hand, you are just expressing the frustrations of working/living in Korea on a bad day of more rain, rain, rain...then step back and take 10 deep breaths. |
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jstrain
Joined: 03 May 2006
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| A positive approach works better. It takes a lot of work to try to break a bad habit. Its even harder work to try to get someone else to break a bad habit. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Today, I just decided that I was sick and tired of the lack of obedience. When I tell them to stop speaking Korean, I mean forever in my presence. By shaking up the situation and letting my boss know, directly and indirectly, I'm hoping to improve things. I find that sometimes when I show my displeasure in this way that it wakes people (my boss) up. Whenever you ask anything to get done, it doesn't. You have to scream it in their ear. WAKE UP!
And the rain does suck. I was on edge as soon as my day started. It seems I have more classes where I would like to plan better, but I don't have the time. I figure that 5-6 classes a day is enough work. I could make some classes so much better than what they are, but I don't want to work on my free time. I don't want to even think about doing any extra work. This gets me on edge too.
Actually, the class in question went very well. I'm trying to eliminate some other things so I can get down to business. Diplomacy doesn't work sometimes. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| If your post is how you really feel, maybe you should step back and consider a different career choice. If, on the other hand, you are just expressing the frustrations of working/living in Korea on a bad day of more rain, rain, rain...then step back and take 10 deep breaths. |
I don't get you here. Yes, I'm expressing some frustration, but if this is how I feel, why should I consider another career? Are my beliefs of how the students should conduct themselves wrong? Should I let some things go? No fuking way. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| mister_joseph wrote: |
| well, even truly bilingual people have one language which is stronger than the other. Do you think that yelling at them will make them be quiet? Quite the opposite. School teachers get them to call down, not yell at them. That just leads to more chaos. Besides, do you understand what they are saying? is everybody who does not speaking english saying something bad? |
I wasn't talking about whether I understand them or not. Nor was I talking about whehter they were saying anything bad or not. I want them to not speak any Korean at all amongst themselves. Even if it's before class time or after. Not in my presence.
Yes, yelling isn't a great solution, but it happens. I don't yell evey single time. Actually, hardly ever. It's just that it comes to a point where you express what is needed and you have to repeat yourself. Be quiet. Don't speak Korean. Be quiet. Don't speak Korean. Don't speak Korean. Don't speak Korean. Don't speak Korean. Then you tell your boss. He comes in and tells the students. Tells you to send them to him if they do. Then someone whispers to another in Korean. So you scream before you leave. You shake it up. It's indirectly in my boss's ear. Get these fuking students to behave. It's not my job. If it continues then we'll just watch videos all day and they can teach themselves English. There's no middle road. They have to abide by my rules. There's no "It's ok sometimes". Fuk that. They have to develop their English between themselves and with me in the classroom and I won't accept this teaching English and using Korean in between *beep*. It's not going to cut it. If it continues then I'm going to react the same until the situation improves. If you want discipline, punish the boss. The scare of losing students students should be motivation enough. Go to the source of the problem, so to speak. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:13 am Post subject: |
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I don't think I see the problem. You aren't even teaching the children and you care what language they are speaking? Why?
When i'm teaching class, there is no Korean allowed, except for gamgi, I like that word better than the common cold. But If I'm not teaching, I could give a frogs fat ass.
Maybe it helps to actually like children. If you don't like children, they'll never please you, and they'll probably stop trying. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| ChopChaeJoe wrote: |
I don't think I see the problem. You aren't even teaching the children and you care what language they are speaking? Why?
When i'm teaching class, there is no Korean allowed, except for gamgi, I like that word better than the common cold. But If I'm not teaching, I could give a frogs fat ass.
Maybe it helps to actually like children. If you don't like children, they'll never please you, and they'll probably stop trying. |
When they enter my zone, it's Korean off. Just because class doesn't start for 5 minutes doesn't give them them the right. Gives them the understanding that it's not permitted at all and helps in it not overflowing to class time. And I don't want to be on the computer having them disturb me with their high octive Korean in my classroom. English, well ok. I think "How dare they".
This has nothing to do with liking or not liking children. I like children just fine. Maybe your students like you because you let them ramble on in Korean all the time. Hell, I'd enjoy that too and praise you as a teacher. "Oh, he's a great teacher. Let's us speak in Korean anytime we want." Maybe you have a good arrangement that way. I scratch your back, you scratch mine. Deosn't do much for an English learning environment though. Maybe I could just be relaxed and let things slide because they already have busy schedules and I have to take this into account. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:15 am Post subject: |
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They're children. They make mistakes. Even when they know the rules, they make mistakes. It would be terrible if they were so afraid of you that they never slipped up by speaking Korean. Besides, they're Korean children.
Must be a bad day.
Drink more.
or maybe you want to be Kim Jac-Il ....  |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| Um, as a teacher, I think it is your job to get the students to behave. That's why people learn about "classroom management", "discipline", etc. Parents are important. Your boss is important. But you are also a big, big part of the equation... I mean, think about when you were in school... some teachers you were good for, others you weren't. Were your parents telling you it was ok to be bad in their classes? Was the principal? No. |
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Dodgy Al
Joined: 15 May 2004 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:36 am Post subject: |
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jacl. Try to be less angry with your students. Otherwise you sound like this: FJKNERFGUINDEVGNDKFJVNSDNAKJWDNSKDJCNADSAS CD;LSKDNC GRRR GRRRRRR ASARRGGH!! PRTHTTTTHST!
relax - the rain will subside  |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Whatever.
Passive aggreseive passive agressive aggressive passive... |
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