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canuckistan Mod Team


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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:00 am Post subject: Anyone ever tried (and succeeded at) learning Russian? |
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I've decided to fling myself into learning Russian--for now, on-line with an interactive program. Any advice on what to learn first? Should I try to learn Cyrillic now or after I've gotten a good start at the basics?
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Never learned russian, but theres only like 34 characters in the cyrillic alphabet. And lots of them are 'freebies' from the roman alphabet. So, as someone who has never learned the language, it strikes me that the alphabet isn't a huge obstacle for someone who's already learned another alphabet (I guess you learned the Korean one). Cyrillic alphabet readers, am I wrong?
(I probably am. There are probably a billion ways of combining the characters to make different sounds like in English.. I hope not though =) ) |
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anjucat
Joined: 26 Jul 2005
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:37 am Post subject: |
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I learned Russian and became fairly fluent. I use the past tense because it seems like so long ago, and these days my Russian is absolutely horrendous (whenever i try to speak Russian, it comes out Korean). I lived in Leningrad, back when it was Leningrad during the glorious era of Gorbechev and perestroika.
I am decidedly NOT particularly gifted at picking up languages, but i can say that Russian is not particularly that difficult once you get the basics down. Definitely learn cyrillic right off the bat -- it is VERY easy. As stated above, more than half the alphabet is the same as "our own." Once you learn the subject/verb endings, then the grammar is much simpler than English (if i remember correctly) and the only real concern is expanding your vocabulary.
Bear in mind that this is coming from a person who USED to speak the language semi-fluently, but has forgotten most everything due to nearly 2 decades of non-use (sigh...). Like any language, it takes practice, practice, and more practice to learn and maintain. Good luck!
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anjucat
Joined: 26 Jul 2005
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:39 am Post subject: |
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Oh yeah, i forgot:
Russian is 99% phonetic. No wierd spellings or letter combinations (just read the post above mine again). Again, very easy to read. |
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canuckistan Mod Team


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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: |
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Once you learn the subject/verb endings, then the grammar is much simpler than English (if i remember correctly) and the only real concern is expanding your vocabulary.
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That's a bit of a relief--for some reason I've kept thinking that Russian has the same "exceptions are the rule" type of grammar fun as French but I think I just keep getting that confused with Russia's historic use of French.
The grammar much simpler than English? That is encouraging!! |
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davai!

Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Location: Kuwait
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Hyeon Een wrote: |
| theres only like 34 characters in the cyrillic alphabet. And lots of them are 'freebies' from the roman alphabet. |
33 letters
Sorry, Greek (25 are from the Greek alphabet, the add'l 8 are ones that Cyril made up on the spot. 2 of those are not spoken, for "hard sign"/"soft sign")
Learn Cyrillic right away. It is way easier to think Russian in terms of Cyrillic rather than transliterated Roman.
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| Once you learn the subject/verb endings, then the grammar is much simpler than English |
Easier said than done. But once you master these cases you will unlock the key to the entire language. For instance, rather than saying "of..." you just say the word with a genetive ending. That said, it allows for a greater freedom of word placement that English speakers are'nt used to and can confuse the heck out of you.
Like anjucat said, practice makes perfect. I hung out with a lot of Russians in Korea and got in some good practice, but here in Moscow I have the benefit of hearing/speaking it all the time. Also, you end up reading it alot whether you look at the ads on the metro, or watch TV in Russian. (The news helps, "House 2" doesn't much)
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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I studied Russian with a very nice Hungarian ambassador and his wife. Lots of fun, lots of wine..........
But despite speaking another slavic language fluently (Czech), never could master it.
For one, it is a very low sounding language. The russians seemed to me to be mumbling for a long , long time. Much like some parts of Portugal, like they had marbles in their mouths. So listening was a problem for a long time at first.
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| Russian is 99% phonetic. No wierd spellings or letter combinations (just read the post above mine again). Again, very easy to read. |
There is much that makes Russian easy. Especially word prefixes/suffixes -- roots. Thus with a little work, you can have a large vocab. Also as mentioned, fairly close phonetically to what is written. But for an English user of the latin alphabet it can be almost impossible to "automate". The use of many lating letters in the cyrillic alphabet BUT with different sounds (for example c is S in Russian. P is R....etc....).
So it makes a word in Russian such as Pectopah into............restauran(t)...............so when as an English speacker you see the word/sign Pectopah, you automatically try to pronounce the latin letters as you would usually - not as restauran..........frustrating as hell....
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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I learned Russian 25 years ago and using a Linguaphone course (15 records) I was OK but have forgotten almost all I learned now. The grammar I didn't find too bad (I had learned Latin and was comfortable with declining nouns) and much vocab is common with other European languages esp French.
Definitely learn the Cyrillic alphabet: less time than it takes to learn the Hangeul characters.
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kiwikid
Joined: 28 Mar 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| What is the online programme you are using? I've always liked the sound of the Russian language. I picked up a little when I was working on Russian and Ukrainian fishing boats but it was mostly swear words as I was learning from fishermen. Also useful sentences such as "I'm not hungry" when you walk into the mess and see what's for dinner.... (they didn't get much of a food allowance on those boats). The crew I met were always really friendly but seeing as they were all male, when i spoke Russian I always lowered my voice to copy them. I found that when I drank vodka or braga (the lethal home brew) my Russian improved quite a bit! |
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canuckistan Mod Team


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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Davai! wrote:
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| Learn Cyrillic right away. It is way easier to think Russian in terms of Cyrillic rather than transliterated Roman. |
So how's Moscow? Very cool you're there right now!!!
I'll get on learning Cyrillic sooner than later then--I thought it might be easier to learn the sounds and some basic words/phrases first before trying to decipher that stuff.
ddeubel wrote
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| So it makes a word in Russian such as Pectopah into............restauran(t)...............so when as an English speacker you see the word/sign Pectopah, you automatically try to pronounce the latin letters as you would usually - not as restauran..........frustrating as hell.... |
I know I'm going to have to completely ignore the Latin alphabet for a good while. *sigh*
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