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jacl



Joined: 31 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hater Depot wrote:
Um, as a teacher, I think it is your job to get the students to behave. That's why people learn about "classroom management", "discipline", etc. Parents are important. Your boss is important. But you are also a big, big part of the equation... I mean, think about when you were in school... some teachers you were good for, others you weren't. Were your parents telling you it was ok to be bad in their classes? Was the principal? No.


Um, those are some, um, really, um, good, um, points.
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jacl



Joined: 31 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:
They're children. They make mistakes. Even when they know the rules, they make mistakes. It would be terrible if they were so afraid of you that they never slipped up by speaking Korean. Besides, they're Korean children.

Must be a bad day.

Drink more.

or maybe you want to be Kim Jac-Il .... Wink


Because of my actions, things will change in my classroom. Of course students make mistakes. I'm not like a screaming maniac. I'm just trying to get things straightened out at my place of work and it takes this kind of a wake up call. I don't want to have to repeat "Don't speak Korean" every fuking time I see them.

Kind of a bad day. Have to work my OT job in 4.5 hours from now.

Will drink more soon.

Yes, Hitler teacher.

I didn't have to scream. Now me feel stoopid. Oh well. I'll lay the point across calmly on Friday. I do a lot of nice things for these kids.

This is a current project of mine and you know how long it takes to get everyone on the ball. It's not like I didn't approach the problem calmly in the first place. I'm just sick and tired of having to repeat myself. Same thing happened with the desks not being cleaned in the classroom. Finally I had to create a situation in order to get things done. We're not talking about something that takes a huge amount of effort from my boss to correct. There are certain things that I can do, but I have my limits.

You can't walk into my classroom anymore and talk in Korean. You just can't. I won't have it. And trust me, I'm done screaming or being angry. That's unless someone tries to rip me off.

From now on, it's all smiles and a "Could you leave my classroom please? You're causing a disturbance. Thank you. Go. Thanks."
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jacl



Joined: 31 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need a vacation.
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Until vacation time...

Give them something constructive to do in English before/after class. Start a routine where they pick up a puzzle when they come in the room...or start writing in their journals...or search for something in the posters/advertisements you have posted on the walls. If you don't want them to speak in Korean, give them something else to do! (Or lock them out...although this complicates the logistics of taking a pee break!)
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When my students speak Korean to each other, I write on the board what they said, translate it to English, then make them repeat it 5 times. Then I give them a little quiz. "What do you say if you need a pencil??"

It's worked pretty well for me, all the way down to my 3rd grade class.

For the older students, who murmur things that escape my comprehension, I just remind them that we should speak only English because it's their only chance to improve their English, and their Korean is already so good that it doesn't need any practice.

Seems to work. Maybe I'm lucky.
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jacl



Joined: 31 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds great for you (denial). Why do they listen to you so (bullsh1t)?
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I speak very little Korean, so when my students start in on it, I switch to Greek, Spanish, or Tagalog. I throw in the english word "test", and they get freaked. "Teachu, why?" "Well, I dont understand you, so why should you understand me?" "Enlgish please."
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jacl



Joined: 31 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poet13 wrote:
I speak very little Korean, so when my students start in on it, I switch to Greek, Spanish, or Tagalog. I throw in the english word "test", and they get freaked. "Teachu, why?" "Well, I dont understand you, so why should you understand me?" "Enlgish please."


Well alright, dude! That's maybe the first post in this thread that hasn't been negative, condescending or patronizing towards me.

You win....
































...nothing.

I really appreciate all the advice everyone has given me. Rolling Eyes Thank you very much, everybody. You're such great teachers. Rolling Eyes Oooooooh!
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inspector gadget



Joined: 11 Apr 2003
Location: jeollanam-do in the boonies

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jacl,

I understand that you want to create an "english only" environment however it is a natural instinct for them to speak some Korean.

I think for you to expect otherwise may be unrealistic, more so if you have large classes and/or younger students.

What does a student do if they don't understand the lesson or subject?

Not all the students can say "teacher I don't understand".

Would you rather they sit there confused and not learn a thing or speak up to a fellow student or teacher in there language so that they have a chance to learn.

Good luck with it, maybe your expectation of absolutly "no Korean" is unreasonable, just a thought for you to ponder.
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Cerriowen



Joined: 03 Jun 2006
Location: Pocheon

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was teaching, I just let the kids talk in korean while they get set up. They haven't seen eachother in a while. They want to discuss things in a broader sense than they can in english.

I'd go in a couple minutes early... and I'd give them roughly the first 2 minutes of class where they could yammer away, pull out pencils, argue, find their seats etc.

Then I would call out loudly "OK... English time in 20 seconds... No speaking Korean after that! <10 second warning> <3, 2, 1> OK English time. No more Korean.!"

Then when I say "Class is over, you may go" then they can talk in Korean if they want again.

I tried to get them not to speak in korean 100% of the time. It wasn't worth it arguing with them. I doubt you're going to be able to keep them from speaking 100% of the time, when they need to ask someone else something and don't know how to do it in English. Sometimes they just forget. It's easy to slip.

That suggestion of switching languages is actually a really good idea... I did it to my middle school kids. Except sometimes I'd just say "Blah blah blah blah..." And look like I was trying to tell them something. They'd start giggling.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jacl wrote:
poet13 wrote:
I speak very little Korean, so when my students start in on it, I switch to Greek, Spanish, or Tagalog. I throw in the english word "test", and they get freaked. "Teachu, why?" "Well, I dont understand you, so why should you understand me?" "Enlgish please."


Well alright, dude! That's maybe the first post in this thread that hasn't been negative, condescending or patronizing towards me.

You win....
































...nothing.

I really appreciate all the advice everyone has given me. Rolling Eyes Thank you very much, everybody. You're such great teachers. Rolling Eyes Oooooooh!


You're welcome. Here's some more. Annoy enough students and they will complain to the boss which will end in YOU being fired. They bring in money. YOU cost him money. That is all.
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jacl



Joined: 31 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I believe trying to annoy people is your area of expertise.
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refikaM



Joined: 06 May 2006
Location: Gangwondo

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:33 am    Post subject: jacl Reply with quote

It seems to me, mr/ms jacl that there is absolutely NO ONE that can help you. After reading all the responses to your rantings, a good teacher would have appreciated all the kind folks out there who were willing to help you. An good experienced teacher would welcome any kind of input. I have been an ESL teacher for 16 years and have improved my methods and approach to teaching greatly by listening to others and taking their advice. You have shot down everything sent your way. You obviously just don't quite get it. You're obviously aren't a professional teacher, either. So, my advice to you is to go home and work at Kmart. Methinks you thrive on challenging the world... which is your enemy.

OK bring on the caustic remarks and profanity... You are good at that if nothing else....
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Mastaoos69



Joined: 14 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Another day, another dollar.


I couldn't have said it any better.
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Kenny Kimchee



Joined: 12 May 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Kind of a bad day. Have to work my OT job in 4.5 hours from now.


How I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at that joyous gathering.
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