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Buchanan on Mideast Conflict
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dogbert



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:32 pm    Post subject: Buchanan on Mideast Conflict Reply with quote

Where are the Christians?
Posted: July 18, 2006

When Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert unleashed his navy and air force on Lebanon, accusing that tiny nation of an "act of war," the last pillar of Bush's Middle East policy collapsed.

First came capitulation on the Bush Doctrine, as Pyongyang and Tehran defied Bush's dictum: The world's worst regimes will not be allowed to acquire the world's worst weapons. Then came suspension of the democracy crusade as Islamic militants exploited free elections to advance to power and office in Egypt, Lebanon, Gaza, the West Bank, Iraq and Iran.

Now, Israel's rampage against a defenseless Lebanon � smashing airport runways, fuel tanks, power plants, gas stations, lighthouses, bridges, roads and the occasional refugee convoy � has exposed Bush's folly in subcontracting U.S. policy out to Tel Aviv, thus making Israel the custodian of our reputation and interests in the Middle East.

The Lebanon that Israel, with Bush's blessing, is smashing up has a pro-American government, heretofore considered a shining example of his democracy crusade. Yet, asked in St. Petersburg if he would urge Israel to use restraint in its airstrikes, Bush sounded less like the leader of the Free World than some bellicose city councilman from Brooklyn Heights.

What Israel is up to was described by its army chief of staff, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, when he threatened to "turn back the clock in Lebanon 20 years."

Olmert seized upon Hezbollah's capture of two Israeli soldiers to unleash the IDF in a pre-planned attack to make the Lebanese people suffer until the Lebanese government disarms Hezbollah, a task the Israeli army could not accomplish in 18 years of occupation.

Israel is doing the same to the Palestinians. To punish these people for the crime of electing Hamas, Olmert imposed an economic blockade of Gaza and the West Bank and withheld the $50 million in monthly tax and customs receipts due the Palestinians.

Then, Israel instructed the United States to terminate all aid to the Palestinian Authority, though Bush himself had called for the elections and for the participation of Hamas. Our Crawford cowboy meekly complied.

The predictable result: Fatah and Hamas fell to fratricidal fighting, and Hamas militants began launching Qassam rockets over the fence from Gaza into Israel. Hamas then tunneled into Israel, killed two soldiers, captured one, took him back into Gaza and demanded a prisoner exchange.

Israel's response was to abduct half of the Palestinian cabinet and parliament and blow up a $50 million U.S.-insured power plant. That cut off electricity for half a million Palestinians. Their food spoiled, their water could not be purified, and their families sweltered in the summer heat of the Gaza desert. One family of seven was wiped out on a beach by what the IDF assures us was an errant artillery shell.

Let it be said: Israel has a right to defend herself, a right to counter-attack against Hezbollah and Hamas, a right to clean out bases from which Katyusha or Qassam rockets are being fired and a right to occupy land from which attacks are mounted on her people.

But what Israel is doing is imposing deliberate suffering on civilians, collective punishment on innocent people, to force them to do something they are powerless to do: disarm the gunmen among them. Such a policy violates international law and comports neither with our values nor our interests. It is un-American and un-Christian.

But where are the Christians? Why is Pope Benedict virtually alone among Christian leaders to have spoken out against what is being done to Lebanese Christians and Muslims?

When al-Qaida captured two U.S. soldiers and barbarically butchered them, the U.S. Army did not smash power plants across the Sunni Triangle. Why then is Bush not only silent but openly supportive when Israelis do this?

Democrats attack Bush for crimes of which he is not guilty, including Haditha and Abu Ghraib. Why are they, too, silent when Israel pursues a conscious policy of collective punishment of innocent peoples?

Britain's diplomatic goal in two world wars was to bring the naive cousins in, to "pull their chestnuts out of the fire." Israel and her paid and pro-bono agents here appear determined to expand the Iraq war into Syria and Iran, and have America fight and finish all of Israel's enemies.

That Tel Aviv is maneuvering us to fight its wars is understandable. That Americans are ignorant of, or complicit in this, is deplorable.

Already, Bush is ranting about Syria being behind the Hezbollah capture of the Israeli soldiers. But where is the proof?

Who is whispering in his ear? The same people who told him Iraq was maybe months away from an atom bomb, that an invasion would be a "cakewalk," that he would be Churchill, that U.S. troops would be greeted with candy and flowers, that democracy would break out across the region, that Palestinians and Israelis would then sit down and make peace?

How much must America pay for the education of this man?

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51116
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a blistering attack from someone on the Right. Bush is in serious political trouble if he has lost their support.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
That is a blistering attack from someone on the Right. Bush is in serious political trouble if he has lost their support.



Nobody respects bush anymore. They merely put up with him because the crappy 2 party system of government america has won't allow for alternative options. Red or blue...left or right.... one or the other. Changing sides is like betrayal. So all the conservatives have to pretend bush is a competent leader and speaks for them.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
That is a blistering attack from someone on the Right. Bush is in serious political trouble if he has lost their support.


Bush never had Buchanan 's support.


By the way does Israel use more force/ behave worse than other nations at war?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
Ya-ta Boy wrote:
That is a blistering attack from someone on the Right. Bush is in serious political trouble if he has lost their support.


Bush never had Buchanan 's support.


By the way does Israel use more force/ behave worse than other nations at war?


Yes and no. What's your point?
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes and no to both statements or just one of them?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
yes and no to both statements or just one of them?


As a long-ago Buchanan voter, I already knew that Bush never had Buchanan's support.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think the poster I was replying to was aware that Buccanan has a very different world view than Bush ( or John McCain. )
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
I don't think the poster I was replying to was aware that Buccanan has a very different world view than Bush ( or John McCain. )


I don't think he was either.

That's right, though, Bush is an internationalist, a meddler, and a warmonger. Buchanan is none of those things.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one of the few times in my life, I find myself agreeing with Buchanan. Glad he stood up.

Still, I do think he has an agenda but I will take his words as those of peace and those of trying to save lives of innocents. So I honour them.

DD
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dogbert



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddeubel wrote:
This is one of the few times in my life, I find myself agreeing with Buchanan. Glad he stood up.

Still, I do think he has an agenda but I will take his words as those of peace and those of trying to save lives of innocents. So I honour them.

DD


One of the things I like about Buchanan is that he spoke out loudly against the first Gulf War (Daddy Bush's) at a time when it was quite unpopular to do so. He has been consistent.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddeubel wrote:
This is one of the few times in my life, I find myself agreeing with Buchanan. Glad he stood up.

Still, I do think he has an agenda but I will take his words as those of peace and those of trying to save lives of innocents. So I honour them.

DD


I think he and you would agree a lot these days. I know I agree with him when it comes to foreign policy.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think the poster I was replying to was aware that Buccanan has a very different world view than Bush ( or John McCain. )


Ummm...yes, I did. I know there are differences among the various factions of the Right, but I maintain that they have far more in common than they have serious differences. For me, the most interesting thing about Buchanan is his Holocaust position.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Quote:
I don't think the poster I was replying to was aware that Buccanan has a very different world view than Bush ( or John McCain. )


Ummm...yes, I did. I know there are differences among the various factions of the Right, but I maintain that they have far more in common than they have serious differences. For me, the most interesting thing about Buchanan is his Holocaust position.



To me, the most interesting thing is his anti-war, pro-America position.

But really, Buchanan has never backed either Bush, so having Buchanan attack Bush says nothing about Bush's support base erosion.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so having Buchanan attack Bush says nothing about Bush's support base erosion.


I disagree (obviously). While Buchanan has some differing views, he and his followers form one segment of Bush's base. They maybe weren't thrilled to death when Bush won his party's nomination, but Buchanan and crowd voted for him rather than for Gore or Kerry.

There may be some, but I can't think of one off-hand: Who else on the Right has come out so harshly against Bush's mid-east policies? [/quote]
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