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Will American go to war for Israel?

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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

Israel has said if the soldiers are returned and the Lebanese army takes control of the border that they will accept a cease fire.

Israel doesn't have to accept Hizzbollahs war. How about the international community really isolate and sanction hizzbollah? Any chance they would do so? Nope.

Let's back a bit here. Give things a little "historical" perspective.

When did these baddies "Hezbollah" come into being?

Moreover, why?

AmeriKa's oligarchs send US troops to fight & die for Israel? Duh.

IRAQ.

Now Israel's trying to ignite a wider regional conflict, with the aim of sucking a whole host of foreign nations in as well.

Fools.

Last edited by igotthisguitar on Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:59 pm; edited 1 time in total

The Man known as The Man

Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject:

Why did all Arab parties involved refuse partition back in 1948?

Kuros

Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject:

[quote="Wangja"]

Kuros wrote:

Antiwar wrote:

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I mean how anti-Israeli could this article get? It wants to gloss over the kidnapping of 2 Israeli soldiers without provocation. ....

Israel isn't concerned about justice, which deals with a measured and proportioned compensation exacted to balance the society in the wake of a wrong committed by a single party. It is concerned with the strategic goal of wiping Hezbollah off the map.

Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:32 pm Post subject:

Similar things were said, for different reasons, in the 30's.

Kuros

Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:44 pm Post subject:

Wangja wrote:

Similar things were said, for different reasons, in the 30's.

Why don't you sketch out what you mean for me. Because similar things were said in the run up to the Iraq war to what you were saying now, but I don't think such words turned out to be so suitable.

Hezbollah must be annihilated, according to Israeli strategic calculations. The US pushed for democratization in Lebanon without seeing to disarming Hezbollah militias. The US has made this mistake before. Lebanon cannot disarm Hezbollah, loathsome as they are to many liberal Lebanese. Israeli is attempting to strike at Hezbollah, not necessarily because they aim to do what Lebanon cannot, but they know that unless they respond Hezbollah will keep acting this way. The raison d'etre of Hezbollah is at stake in the wake of Syrian withdrawal and Lebanese democratization, and Hezbollah felt it had to strike in this bold fashion. Hezbollah knew it would counter this response.

As for starting WWIII, that depends on whether surrounding powers choose to escalate the situation. Israel seems content not to provoke Syria and hasn't lashed out at Iran (I don't think they have the means to right now, anyway), meanwhile Syria seems serious about appearing to stay out of the fray. The US, while ostensibly concerned, hasn't been to proactive in trying to solve this mess, so they are still a wildcard. Meanwhile, Iran's intentions are hard to discern and it may not even be correct to speak of Iranian intentions so much as the conflicting intentions of various Iranians in various positions in power.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:05 am Post subject:

igotthisguitar wrote:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

I think Hizzbollah exists cause 1) of Iran and Khomenism

2) for 55 years or so Israels enemies have been out to destroy Israel.

by the way a supporters of that bigot Jeff Rense compares the US to the Klan Rolling Eyes

Anyway Jeff Rense supporters not be allowed US visas.

Alias

Joined: 24 Jan 2003

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:54 am Post subject:

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Anyway Alias Justin Romando is a lying whack job who loves fascists. and he thinks the wrong side won in the pacific in WW II.

He is not a source he is a disinformation artist

....so you post Hitchens instead(who was probably wasted when he wrote the article). I'll put Raimondo's reputation up against Hithcens anyday. Libertarian v.s ex-Trotskyite

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:28 am Post subject:

Alias wrote:

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Anyway Alias Justin Romando is a lying whack job who loves fascists. and he thinks the wrong side won in the pacific in WW II.

He is not a source he is a disinformation artist

....so you post Hitchens instead(who was probably wasted when he wrote the article). I'll put Raimondo's reputation up against Hithcens anyday. Libertarian v.s ex-Trotskyite

Raimondo hides on a site where there is no opposition. Raimondo is more than just a libertarian he is a misinformation artist.Raimondo has also been in league with 9-11 conspiracy theorists.

No one other than moonbats thinks much of Raimondo .

Raimondo also doesn't know what he is talking about.

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Bin Laden is not shy about proclaiming his war aims, and there has been no lack of pronouncements from al-Qaeda on this score. Again and again they have declared their grievances: Madonna videos and miniskirts are not among them. Instead, bin Laden and his cohorts are driven by the U.S. military presence in the Persian Gulf, and America's unconditional support for Israel and its apparent indifference to the plight of the Palestinians. Add to this Washington's support for Arab tyrannies, such as Hosni Mubarak's Egypt (the second largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid), the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, and constant American pressure on client regimes in the Middle East to keep oil below the real global market price, and the litany of al-Qaeda's talking points is complete

See how Raimondo doesn't say anything about the Caliphate?

Raimondo

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On June 9, Israeli gunboats opened fire on beach-goers in Gaza, killing eight, including most of an entire family. The lone survivor of the Ghalia family, 10-year-old Huda, screaming in existential agony as she rolls around on the bloodstained sand and pounds it with her little fists, is bound to go down in history as an emblematic image of the Palestinian struggle for statehood � and for the full humanity of an entire people. Do you want to understand why the medievalist ideologues of Hamas have come to power in Palestine? Then just look at this video one more time, particularly the first part, and then tell me you just don't understand.

So Raimondo says it was Israeli gun boats that cause the deaths. The implication is that it was also intentional

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a bomb planted in the sand, Amir Peretz, the Defence Minister, declared: " The accumulating evidence proves that this incident was not due to Israeli forces."

But the official interpretation was strongly challenged by a former Pentagon battle damage expert who has surveyed the scene of the beach explosion. He said yesterday that "all the evidence points" to a 155mm Israeli land-based artillery shell as its cause.

So we see here that it was probably shot from land. Which means it was probably not intentional unless Israel was looking at the beach all the time.

http://mparent7777.livejournal.com/9428385.html

Raimondo is disinformation artist. Yes or No?

It was so easy to get this on him. In everything he writes you will find distortions and the ommision of facts and backround information. All the while e he mixes junk sources with real sources.

I will go with Hitchens who doesn't hide on a site where other views are not allowed.

igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:31 am Post subject:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

igotthisguitar wrote:

I think Hizzbollah exists cause 1) of Iran and Khomenism

2) for 55 years or so Israels enemies have been out to destroy Israel.

General consensus ... Joo ... is that Hezbollah came about in repsonse to the 1982 ISRAELI INVASION OF LEBANON.

Surprised you weren't aware of this.

More accurately, Zionism has since its mid-19th century inception, been out to effectively destroy, or "neutralize", any of its critics both foreign & domestic.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:02 am Post subject:

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General consensus ... Joo ... is that Hezbollah came about in repsonse to the 1982 ISRAELI INVASION OF LEBANON.

and cause of the hate that Khomeni and his followers teach.

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More accurately, Zionism has since its mid-19th century inception, been out to effectively destroy, or "neutralize", any of its critics both foreign & domestic.

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Prove it. Otherwise I'll just chalk it up to that you are fascist moonbat whack job

igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:15 am Post subject:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

Quote:

General consensus ... Joo ... is that Hezbollah came about in repsonse to
the 1982 ISRAELI INVASION OF LEBANON.

and cause of the hate that Khomeni and his followers teach.

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More accurately, Zionism has since its mid-19th century inception, been out to effectively destroy, or "neutralize", any of its critics both foreign & domestic.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

Prove it. Otherwise I'll just chalk it up to that you are fascist moonbat whack job

Prove that you're not resorting to ... *yawn* ... childish name calling again.

As was stated Hezbollah came out of Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon.

DEJA-VU.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:19 am Post subject:

It is not name calling cause you have proved over and over again that you are a fascist bigot. I mean it is not like you aren't. Every breath you take is a waste of good O2

igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:34 am Post subject:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

It is not name calling cause you have proved over and over again that you are a fascist bigot.
I mean it is not like you aren't.

Every breath you take is a waste of good O2

You sound like a self-righteous Zionist ...

Hezbollah or Hizbollah/Hizbullah or Hezb'Allah[1] (Arabic: ‮حزب الله‬‎, meaning Party of God) is a Lebanese Shia Islamic group, with a military arm and a civilian arm, founded in 1982 to fight the Israeli Defense Forces who occupied southern Lebanon until the year 2000.[2]

Its leader is Hassan Nasrallah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:14 am Post subject:

[quote="igotthisguitar"]

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

It is not name calling cause you have proved over and over again that you are a fascist bigot.
I mean it is not like you aren't.

Every breath you take is a waste of good O2

You sound like a self-righteous Zionist ...

Hezbollah or Hizbollah/Hizbullah or Hezb'Allah[1] (Arabic: ‮حزب الله‬‎, meaning Party of God) is a Lebanese Shia Islamic group, with a military arm and a civilian arm, founded in 1982 to fight the Israeli Defense Forces who occupied southern Lebanon until the year 2000.[2]

I think zionism overall is a bad idea.

You on the other hand are a fascist bigot. Is there any doubt?

There would have been no Hizzbollah w/o the PLO being in Lebanon and the Ayatollah Khomeni's revolution.

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Its leader is Hassan Nasrallah.

w/o a doubt Jeff Rense supports him.

igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:19 am Post subject:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

I think zionism overall is a bad idea.

You on the other hand are a fascist bigot. Is there any doubt?

One thing that's not in doubt is your "SPOOKY" avatar.

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