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Israeli War Crimes
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Is Israel guilty of War Crimes?
Obviously, yes.
42%
 42%  [ 27 ]
No, they should be free to do as they see fit.
41%
 41%  [ 26 ]
Undecided ( this is just too tough to call )
15%
 15%  [ 10 ]
Total Votes : 63

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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:56 am    Post subject: Israeli War Crimes Reply with quote

World media is reporting on the carnage as all hell breaks loose in the Middle East once again.

Israel, not surprisingly, is right in the thick of things.

Rather than simply negotiate the safe release of their few soldiers, in exchange for other fellow-"semitic" women & children they're holding as prisoners, the decision has been made to simply bomb the "OTHER" into oblivion.

They do well in destroying & killing, but are their actions enough to justify formal legal proceedings against their leaders along the lines of say Saddam Hussein, the Gestapo, Milosevic et al?

IGTG.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith-Bjerknes16July2006.mp3
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. Accidental killing of civilians yes.

Imagine what the islamists would do if they had the same weapons the israelis and the US have???

They're already killing civilians indiscriminately in their hundreds every week. just for being a different branch of Islam.
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SeoulFinn



Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Location: 1h from Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have to say yes. Even tough accidental killing of civillians is not against the "rules of war" if you belive wiki.

Quote:
Violations and applicability

Parties are bound by the laws of war to the extent that such compliance does not interfere with achieving legitimate military goals. For example, they are obliged to make every effort to avoid damaging people and property not involved in combat, but they are not guilty of a war crime if a bomb mistakenly hits a residential area.

By the same token, combatants that use protected people or property as shields or camouflage are guilty of violations of laws of war and are responsible for damage to those that should be protected.


But it's not like the they are taking every effort not to hit non-combatans on either side, now are they? I just hope that people would get smarter... but looks like things are getting worse and worse every year. Sad

OT: Check the Rules of war in Islam if you want to have heated debate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_war_in_Islam
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say bombing a highway leaves you open to accusations of intentionally killing civilians.
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Captain Courageous



Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Location: Bundang and loving it

PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's quite clear that most people who scream about how evil Israel is at every turn have clearly different standards of right and wrong for each Israel and those they are fighting.
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Courageous wrote:
It's quite clear that most people who scream about how evil Israel is at every turn have clearly different standards of right and wrong for each Israel and those they are fighting.


United Nations
Attacks Qualify as War Crimes, Officials Say

By WARREN HOGE
Published: July 20, 2006

UNITED NATIONS, July 19 � The United Nations� top human rights official said Wednesday that
the killing and maiming of civilians under attack in Lebanon, Israel and Gaza and the West Bank
"could" constitute war crimes.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/20/world/middleeast/20nations.html
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
It also noted that Hezbollah was firing rockets into northern Israel. �Hezbollah fighters too are bound by the rules of international humanitarian law, and they must not target civilian areas,� it said.

At the United Nations, there was support for the view that the only way to spare more victims was to halt the fighting, but there was also evidence that the United States would continue to dispute it.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This poll ought really be rewritten so that it might probe the depths of Igotthisguitar's antisemitism.
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's made it clear here in the past that he's not anti-semitic in that he's not againt Judaism as a belief per se, he's simply against Zionists, the jews who secretly control the US and the world economy, Israelis, and those believe that a Holocaust took place.
(so, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...)

I'm disturbed by the Israeli response, but I'm more disturbed by Hezbollah.
According to figures I heard this morning, casualties are about even for both sides.
Both sides have hit civilians.
Are both sides targetting civilians?
I understand there are arguments either way about the Israelis, but on the other side of the coin- is there any doubt about Hezbollah, Hamas?
They have consistently in the past and and are clearly now indiscriminately targetting civilians.
There's no debate about that.
(This is called getting into an argument about who is 'more responsible', which is something I said I wouldn't do, but it's clear that in order to debunk the conspiracy of dunces which exists on this board we have to go down this road).

And as for the Israelis, you can argue that the scope of their response is out of proportion, but you can't argue that a response was uneccessary; And if you argue that the scope is out of proportion because of civilian casualties, proving that they are indescriminate with their targets presupposes knowledge of Israeli military capabilities and tactics as well as presupposes knowledge of Hezbollah locations, infrastructure, and tactics.
I certainly don't have such knowledge and I doubt anyone else here does, nor do any of the media organizations condemning the Israeli response.
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