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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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 Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: House Overwhelmingly Supports Israel... |
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20-Jul-2006
12:10 PM
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| Condemning the recent attacks against the State of Israel, holding terrorists and their state-sponsors accountable for such attacks, supporting Israel's right to defend itself, and for other purposes. |
410 for
8 opposed
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll391.xml |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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my rep. didn't vote either way, just said "present." how noble of her. 
barbara lee doesn't speak for me.
(popular bumper sticker in area: "barbara lee speaks for me!") |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| 410-8. The gulf between Europe and America is that big. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:25 am Post subject: |
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| 410-8. The gulf between Europe and America is that big. |
Kuros, very poignant observation. And we'd have to ask WHY?
My own take is that Europeans have suffered and from that suffering or remembrance of , compassion is the result. They are for the dispossessed and those without......
America has many things to be proud of and also its ahistoricity is a positive thing on many levels. But when it comes to enacting war, its lack of history and suffering is unmercifully a negative.
Many will criticize me for saying this but de Tocqueville was of the same opinion. And since then little has changed. Americans yet know the cost of war and this is troubling for the rest of us. Despite at the end of the day, their even keel and their value of freedom....
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| My own take is that Europeans have suffered and from that suffering or remembrance of , compassion is the result. |
I think you are being FAR too generous to the Europeans. Having read history, I can think of only a couple of examples of peoples in history who come close to matching Europeans for bloodthirstiness. The ONLY time in history they haven't been noted for it is the last 60 years when they didn't have the power to pull it off.
One of my favorite poems by Kipling:
Fuzzy-Wuzzy
WE�VE fought with many men acrost the seas,
An� some of �em was brave an� some was not:
The Paythan an� the Zulu an� Burmese;
But the Fuzzy was the finest o� the lot.
We never got a ha�porth�s change of �im:
�E squatted in the scrub an� �ocked our �orses,
�E cut our sentries up at Suakim,
An� �e played the cat an� banjo with our forces.
So �ere�s to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your �ome in the Soudan;
You�re a pore benighted �eathen but a first-class fightin� man;
We gives you your certificate, an� if you want it signed
We�ll come an� �ave a romp with you whenever you�re inclined.
We took our chanst among the Khyber �ills,
The Boers knocked us silly at a mile,
The Burman give us Irriwaddy chills,
An� a Zulu impi dished us up in style:
But all we ever got from such as they
Was pop to what the Fuzzy made us swaller;
We �eld our bloomin� own, the papers say,
But man for man the Fuzzy knocked us �oller.
Then �ere�s to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, an� the missis and the kid;
Our orders was to break you, an� of course we went an� did.
We sloshed you with Martinis, an� it wasn�t �ardly fair;
But for all the odds agin� you, Fuzzy-Wuz, you broke the square.
�E �asn�t got no papers of �is own,
�E �asn�t got no medals nor rewards,
So we must certify the skill �e�s shown
In usin� of �is long two-�anded swords:
When �e�s �oppin� in an� out among the bush
With �is coffin-�eaded shield an� shovel-spear,
An �appy day with Fuzzy on the rush
Will last an �ealthy Tommy for a year.
So �ere�s to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, an� your friends which are no more,
If we �adn�t lost some messmates we would �elp you to deplore;
But give an� take�s the gospel, an� we�ll call the bargain fair,
For if you �ave lost more than us, you crumpled up the square!
�E rushes at the smoke when we let drive,
An�, before we know, �e�s �ackin� at our �ead;
�E�s all �ot sand an� ginger when alive,
An� �e�s generally shammin� when �e�s dead.
�E�s a daisy, �e�s a ducky, �e�s a lamb!
�E�s a injia-rubber idiot on the spree,
�E�s the on�y thing that doesn�t give a damn
For a Regiment o� British Infantree!
So �ere�s to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your �ome in the Soudan;
You�re a pore benighted �eathen but a first-class fightin� man;
An� �ere�s to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, with your �ayrick �ead of �air�
You big black boundin� beggar�for you broke a British square!
I think what appeals to me is the summary of who the Brits made a hobby of slaughtering in one part of one century. Of course they gave it up when they no longer had the power to do it. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| 410-8. The gulf between Europe and America is that big. |
It's been that big for a long loooooong time....
monarchy, Napolean, nationalism, religious conflict, facism/Mussolini/Hitler, Communism/Stalinism.....
As has been the case for the better part of 2 centuries, the Europeans, after their involuntary convulsions of condescension subside, will understand that America is actually thinking on a larger plane regarding the middle east.
Frankly, Europe is way too scared of Islam/terrorism to ever stand with Israel so strongly.
Luckily, for all of us, Europe is more or less irrelevant to the planet's future. |
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WorldWide
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| america: zionist israel's retarded oaf best friend! |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:44 am Post subject: |
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I'm guessing you are from a less significant place than the United States.
Good luck in your losing battle against America! |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Overwhelming support? Really?
Well, the world should be rest assured then; if the AmeriKan political establishment supports Israel's "liberation" of Southern Lebanon ... it MUST be A-OK ...
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/Lebanon.htm
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| Rense supporter compares the US to the Klan. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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British Anger At Zionist Terror Celebration
By Ned Parker and Stephen Farrell
The commemoration of Israeli bombings that killing 92 people has caused offence
AS ISRAEL wages war against Hezbollah �terrorists� in Lebanon, Britain has protested about the celebration by right-wing Israelis of a Jewish �act of terrorism� against British rule 60 years ago this week.
The rightwingers, including Binyamin Netanyahu, the former Prime Minister, are commemorating the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, the headquarters of British rule, that killed 92 people and helped to drive the British from Palestine 
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,173-2277717,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_Bombing |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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gutless wording assured assent
"Condemning the recent attacks against the State... holding terrorists and their state-sponsors accountable for such attacks, supporting... right to defend itself, and for other purposes"
hard to not support such a motion
though you notice the convenient vagueness of "for other purposes" |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| hermes.trismegistus wrote: |
If Hezbollah captured the Iraeli IDF soldiers, the soldiers were on the Lebanese side of the border.
If you send soldiers into another country, then complain about being kidnapped, you are an idiot.
Israel planned to capture the Palestinian government prior to the 'kidnapping' of other IDF soldiers.
If you mean that Israel won't let history repeat itself in that they won't conspire with homicidal maniacs in order to further their agenda, that seems to be happening right now with the cozy relations between Israel and the US.
Let us go to relevant quotes to see how others may have such a harsh attitude towards the Zionists:
"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial." - Ariel Sharon
"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it." - Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
"The state .... must see the sword as the main if not the only, instrument with which to keep its morale high and to retain its moral tension. Toward this end it may no it MUST invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the method of provocation and revenge .... And above all, let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space." - Diary of Moshe Sharett, Israeli's first Foreign Minister from 1948-1956, and Prime Minister from 1954-1956.
"Israel controls the United States Senate." - Sen. William Fulbright
"May the Holy Name visit retribution on the Arab heads, and cause their seed to be lost, and annihilate them. It is forbidden to have pity on them. We must give them missiles with relish, annihilate them. Evil ones, damnable ones." - Israeli Rabbi Ovadia Yosef , quoted in Ha'aretz April 12, 2001
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." - Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum."
"We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters." - Uri Lubrani, Israeli Prime Minister Ben-Gurion's "special" adviser on Arab Affairs. Source: "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.
"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours ... Everything we don't grab will go to them." - Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.
"On November 1, the General Assembly of the United Nations voted to reaffirm the Outer Space Treaty-the fundamental international law that establishes that space should be reserved for peaceful uses... Only two nations declined to support this bill-the United States and Israel." - The Progressive magazine, January 2000, p27
"The war now proposed is for the purpose of establishing Jewish hegemony throughout the world." - Brigadier General George Van Horn Mosely, The New York Tribune, March 29, 1939.
Etc.
Hack, you might try reading a little history instead of spouting propaganda.
Namaste. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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any link for you site?
at least some of those quotes are what Hamas claims were said. not was what really said |
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