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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| If only there were a Current Events Forum where we could discuss this... |
Oh, I think Off Topic is the perfect place to debate who is the 'better' Jew. Christ on a crutch, boys! |
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Boodleheimer
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Location: working undercover for the Man
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| With questions about Israel, things can get hot, spicy and mean. I took a Biblical Hebrew class -- about half the students were Jews. One was a really good friend until I questioned Israeli statehood out loud. Is having a homeland a birthright? I mean, Christians don't really have one. We gave that shyte up after having the crap beaten out of us during the Crusades. |
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Johnny Pro Korea
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: A flophouse north of Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| As Kinky Friedman once sang....."They don't make Jews like Jesus anymore" |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:23 am Post subject: |
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They tried the non violent route 70 years ago and that didn't turn out real well. This is 1 nation that won't let history repeat itself. Hamas has declared that their goal is to destroy Israel. Hezbollah declared war when they kidnapped Israeli soldiers. Lebanon supplies Hezbollah and gives them sanctuary.
Hezbollah is making a hiuge mistake not returning those soldiers. Israel is very capable of kicking some major butt.
What Israel is doing is justified. |
Umm... No.
If Hezbollah captured the Iraeli IDF soldiers, the soldiers were on the Lebanese side of the border. If you send soldiers into another country, then complain about being kidnapped, you are an idiot.
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Hizbollah are the military force of ... what country? |
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hermes.trismegistus
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| Hizbollah are the military force of ... what country? |
Hezbollah originated in Lebanon to fight the Israeli occupation.
Israel had IDF soldiers conducting military OPs inside the Lebanese border. IOW, they performed an aggressive act of war - kind of like when they bomb beaches with civilians, threaten assassination of elected leaders, etc.
How many UN resolutions is Israel currently in violation of? How many resolutions have been passed condeming the actions of Israel? How many times has the US managed to veto resolutions denouncing Israel that the UN would have otherwised passed? According to global polls, what country do most people think is the largest threat to global security? What country is currently engaged in the aggressive invasion and occupation of two sovereign nations? If North Korea were to do something like this, what would happen? Israel gets away with what they want because of their PACs in Washington, and the Zionist effective wielding of the Jewish victimization.
Hack:
Your comments appear less Jewish than Zionist. All Jews are not Zionists. Most Jews do not support the Zionists. Many Jews don't know their own history, because they too have been lied to. For example, did you know that Judea declared war on Germany long before the first actions were taken on the Jews prior to WWII?
Zionists had assumed significant power in Germany and throughout Europe after WWI, and this inspired the nationalist rejection. The Zionists used this - conspiring with Hitler himself - to establish their own state.
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| Few people know the facts about the singular event that helped spark what ultimately became known as World War II - the international Jewish declaration of war on Germany shortly after Adolf Hitler came to power and well before any official German government sanctions or reprisals against Jews were carried out. The March 24, 1933 issue of The Daily Express of London (shown above) described how Jewish leaders, in combination with powerful international Jewish financial interests, had launched a boycott of Germany for the express purpose of crippling her already precarious economy in the hope of bringing down the new Hitler regime. It was only then that Germany struck back in response. Thus, if truth be told, it was the worldwide Jewish leadership - not the Third Reich - that effectively fired the first shot in the Second World War. Prominent New York attorney Samuel Untermyer (above right) was one of the leading agitators in the war against Germany, describing the Jewish campaign as nothing less than a "holy war." |
What was the motto of the Mossad again? Oh yeah - "By way of deception we shall wage war."
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| The war by the international Jewish leadership on Germany not only sparked definite reprisals by the German government but also set the stage for a little-known economic and political alliance between the Hitler government and the leaders of the Zionist movement who hoped that the tension between the Germans and the Jews would lead to massive emigration to Palestine. In short, the result was a tactical alliance between the Nazis and the founders of the modern-day state of Israel - a fact that many today would prefer be forgotten. |
Hitler's doctor was Jewish. Several of his generals were Jewish. Etc.
Namaste. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Israel doesn't even really qualify as a country.
They have no constitution |
Does the UK? |
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hermes.trismegistus
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Does the UK [have a constitution]? |
country (kun'tre) n. pl. 1. A land with its own government and geographic limits; a nation. ... 4. A tract or region of a specified nature.
No defined border = no country.
constitution n. 3. The fundamental laws and practises that normally govern the operation of a state or association. 4. A document containing these laws.
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| Israel does not have a written constitution, even though according to the Proclamation of Independence a constituent assembly should have prepared a constitution by October 1, 1948. The delay in the preparation of a constitution resulted primarily from problems that emerged against the background of the alleged clash between a secular constitution and the Halacha (the Jewish religious law). [Jewish Virtual Library] |
According to Wiki, yes, the UK does indeed have a constitution - consisting of written and unwritten law.
Namaste. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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Is Hizbollah a Lebanese government controlled military organization? Or is it more of a militia in some ways like the 'Minutemen' along the USA's southern border?
And when they did sieze the Israeli soldiers, did they turn them over to the Lebanese government? |
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hermes.trismegistus
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| Is Hizbollah a Lebanese government controlled military organization? Or is it more of a militia in some ways like the 'Minutemen' along the USA's southern border? |
Neither. They'd be similar to the IRA or ETA.
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| And when they did sieze the Israeli soldiers, did they turn them over to the Lebanese government? |
Apparently not, which furthers the charge of collective punishment - a war crime. But then, Israel has never been timid of committing war crimes in the past, so why change now?
Namaste. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| OK, fair enough. Would it please you if Israel had a (relatively) peaceful and quiet northern border? ... much as it did before the PLO arrived in southern Lebanon. In other words, would you be OK with the destruction of Hezbollah? That is, without innocents being killed in the crossfire. |
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hermes.trismegistus
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| OK, fair enough. Would it please you if Israel had a (relatively) peaceful and quiet northern border? ... much as it did before the PLO arrived in southern Lebanon. In other words, would you be OK with the destruction of Hezbollah? That is, without innocents being killed in the crossfire. |
Remove the rationale and you remove the perceived necessity.
If Israel weren't such a *beep*, it wouldn't have so many enemies.
"Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can't help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East." - John Sheehan, S.J. (a Jesuit priest)
Namaste. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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Remove the rationale and you remove the perceived necessity.
If Israel weren't such a *beep*, it wouldn't have so many enemies.
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What is the rationale?
What constitutes being a *beep*? |
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hermes.trismegistus
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:12 am Post subject: |
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What is the rationale?
What constitutes being a *beep*? |
That seems about as obtuse as asking why one might think Bush an idiot.
Namaste. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| hermes.trismegistus wrote: |
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Does the UK [have a constitution]? |
country (kun'tre) n. pl. 1. A land with its own government and geographic limits; a nation. ... 4. A tract or region of a specified nature.
No defined border = no country. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
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Geography
Map of Israel
Relief map of Israel
Beach of Tel Aviv at sundownMain article: Geography of Israel
Israel is bordered by Lebanon in the north, Syria and Jordan in the east, and Egypt in the south-west. It has coastlines on the Mediterranean in the west and the Gulf of Eilat (also known as the Gulf of Aqaba) in the south.
During the Six-Day War of 1967, Israel captured the West Bank from the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, the Golan Heights from Syria, Gaza Strip (which was under Egyptian occupation), and Sinai from Egypt. It withdrew all troops and settlers from Sinai by 1982 and from the Gaza Strip by September 12, 2005. The future status of the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights remains to be determined.
The total area of the sovereign territory of Israel � excluding all territories captured by Israel in 1967 � is 20,770 km� or 8,019 mi�; (1% water). The total area under Israeli law � including East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights � is 22,145 km� or 8,550 mi�; with a little less than one per cent being water. The total area under Israeli control � including the military-controlled and Palestinian-governed territory of the West Bank � is 28,023 km� or 10,820 mi� (~1% water). |
Sounds like defined bordes to me. If disputed boundaries disqualified one from being a country, then we can take the ROK and Japan off the map as well, for starters.
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constitution n. 3. The fundamental laws and practises that normally govern the operation of a state or association. 4. A document containing these laws.
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| Israel does not have a written constitution, even though according to the Proclamation of Independence a constituent assembly should have prepared a constitution by October 1, 1948. The delay in the preparation of a constitution resulted primarily from problems that emerged against the background of the alleged clash between a secular constitution and the Halacha (the Jewish religious law). [Jewish Virtual Library] |
According to Wiki, yes, the UK does indeed have a constitution - consisting of written and unwritten law.
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According to your link:
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| The Constitution of the United Kingdom is an area of uncodified law, consisting of both written and unwritten sources. |
According to the CIA Factbook:
The UK:
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Constitution:
unwritten; partly statutes, partly common law and practice |
Israel:
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Constitution:
no formal constitution; some of the functions of a constitution are filled by the Declaration of Establishment (1948), the Basic Laws of the parliament (Knesset), and the Israeli citizenship law |
Doesn't sound like much of a difference. See #3 of your definition above.
Semantics aside, Israel is recognized as a country by the UN. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| hermes.trismegistus wrote: |
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What is the rationale?
What constitutes being a *beep*? |
That seems about as obtuse as asking why one might think Bush an idiot.
Namaste. |
Do my questions annoy you? |
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