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North Korea--Adventure Korea Trip
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zappadelta wrote:
⑥ Washing hands and/or feet is not allowed in the fresh water springs (fine is $15).

Dang! There's nothing like drinking and splashing fresh spring water over one's face. At least there's a set penalty. Fifteen bucks if caught is better than the unstated threat of a NK concentration camp.

[quote]⑦ Do not take any natural objects(such as rocks)[/quote
The same law applies in SK but many don't heed it. Probably wise not to push it up north.

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⑧ Only US dollars... accepted.

Laughing

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⑨ There are many large rocks with engraving done by the government. Do not touch or lean on these rocks.

Hmmm. Nothing stated about spitting.

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⑩ You may speak with the North Korean people that you meet, but you may not take random pictures of them, including pictures from inside the bus.

No "random" pictures? In other words there will be a staged moment when pictures will be allowed. Like inside the 5-star hotel perhaps, and during the acrobatics show.

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DO NOT talk about politics, diplomatic relations, economics and other such sensitive issues.

It's the "other such sensitive issues" that's open to divergent interpretation. How about Mount Fuji or the Colorado Rockies? BoA or Evian?

All in all, the stated restrictions are expected. What else do you expect from a repressive dictatorship having to deal with famine and the perpetual threat of war?

A few more U.S. greenbacks to go into the pockets of the faithful are needed. Except from Americans, or those who speak about them.

Bring back some random photos!
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice. So you are basically forking over cash so that KJI can profit? Its a repressive regime that kills, starves, tortures its people and you are going to give them money?
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coldstream1



Joined: 17 Apr 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was in North Korea for a week at the beginning of May. It was the first time I've ever travelled on an organized tour, and all things considered, the tour bus experience was not as bad as I had imagined. Without a doubt you are only shown what the regime wants you to see, but I was actually surprised with how much freedom we were given to wander, interact with the local people, and take photos at will. The propaganda from our guides was also dialed down a lot more than I had anticipated.

As far as the "tourist vs. traveler" debate, putting the inherent arrogance of that dichotomy aside, ultimately it is up to each traveler to weigh the pros and cons of the ethical dilemma of visiting countries like the DPRK, and make a decision for themselves. The group of people on my tour were anything but your typical "tourists" ��lets face it, nobody chooses to visit North Korea because of the posh luxury of their five star resorts! The week was an eye-popping experience that confirmed many of my pre-exisitng beliefs about the country, but shattered just as many others.

On balance, I recommend the experience. There are certain rules and parameters that go along with a visit ��I was never fully comfortable with that, but did decide I was willing to accept it in exchange for the experience. I completing understand someone making a different decision.

If anyone is interested, you can check out my pictures from the trip by clicking here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bryanh/sets/72157594159120851/
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Kwai_Chang_Kain



Joined: 16 Feb 2005
Location: The Borg Collective

PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those are some amazing photos. Where did you book your tour from? I'm very much interested in going on one. Thanks for sharing!
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sure going to Guemgangsan will be a lovely trip but it is about as North korean as Seoul is.....

It is just a special tourist extension of South korea....witha few added rules

Now if you are going to pyeongyang, that would be interesting
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Lizara



Joined: 14 Apr 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So was anyone here on the first tour? how was it?
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Carole Anne



Joined: 04 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was. It was amazing. Of course there were rules, and shedules, but there were things they couldn't control like what we saw of the towns and farms while on the bus. Also, the guards were everywhere. They put up a red flag and whistle if you break a rule. At one point some people were taking pics in an area they weren't supposed to and about 5-6 guards came running from every direction. These were the ones that we couldn't see of course. There is a sense of being watched, but the area is absolutely breath taking. If you are thinking of going, just do it. It costs alot, it is controlled, but I am so glad I did. It really opens your eyes and helps you to remember, these countries are still at war.
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carole Anne wrote:
I was. It was amazing. Of course there were rules, and shedules, but there were things they couldn't control like what we saw of the towns and farms while on the bus. Also, the guards were everywhere. They put up a red flag and whistle if you break a rule. At one point some people were taking pics in an area they weren't supposed to and about 5-6 guards came running from every direction. These were the ones that we couldn't see of course. There is a sense of being watched, but the area is absolutely breath taking. If you are thinking of going, just do it. It costs alot, it is controlled, but I am so glad I did. It really opens your eyes and helps you to remember, these countries are still at war.


I agree with you Carole Anne it was amazing.
Me and my friends got whistled at and red flagged for taking a photo of the Great Leaders in the wrong way.

I thought the North Korean soldiers were v.cute Smile

The bus journey on the Friday night was a killer, but it really whetted my appetite and now I want to go to Pyongyang.

ilovebdt
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trevorcollins



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like an awesome trip. A great adventure.
The moralists need to get off their high horses (a long step down for some of them) and perhaps think about human rights abuses that happen in virtually every Asian country.
I'm sure the same hippocrites will happily sit on a beach in Thailand or climb the Great Wall and turn a blind eye to what goes on there.
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you need someone who speaks Korean with you to go on the tour?


Or is there somebody to help out us non-Korean speakers?
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

endo wrote:
Do you need someone who speaks Korean with you to go on the tour?


Or is there somebody to help out us non-Korean speakers?


No, you don't need to speak Korean. The guy who runs the trip speaks fluent English.

They are doing another tour to Nk the first week in September. It's on the website www.adventurekorea.com

Any questions PM me Smile

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cazador83



Joined: 28 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i went on that trip as well and i agree, it was cool! i definitely am now interested in pyeongyang Smile

carol anne and ilovedbt, i'm wondering if i'd recognize you two...
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jmoore2001 wrote:
i went on that trip as well and i agree, it was cool! i definitely am now interested in pyeongyang Smile

carol anne and ilovedbt, i'm wondering if i'd recognize you two...


U never know Smile
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Dev



Joined: 18 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coldstream1 wrote:
I was in North Korea for a week at the beginning of May. It was the first time I've ever travelled on an organized tour, and all things considered, the tour bus experience was not as bad as I had imagined. Without a doubt you are only shown what the regime wants you to see, but I was actually surprised with how much freedom we were given to wander, interact with the local people, and take photos at will. The propaganda from our guides was also dialed down a lot more than I had anticipated.

As far as the "tourist vs. traveler" debate, putting the inherent arrogance of that dichotomy aside, ultimately it is up to each traveler to weigh the pros and cons of the ethical dilemma of visiting countries like the DPRK, and make a decision for themselves. The group of people on my tour were anything but your typical "tourists" ��lets face it, nobody chooses to visit North Korea because of the posh luxury of their five star resorts! The week was an eye-popping experience that confirmed many of my pre-exisitng beliefs about the country, but shattered just as many others.

On balance, I recommend the experience. There are certain rules and parameters that go along with a visit ��I was never fully comfortable with that, but did decide I was willing to accept it in exchange for the experience. I completing understand someone making a different decision.

If anyone is interested, you can check out my pictures from the trip by clicking here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bryanh/sets/72157594159120851/


Really enjoyed your photos. Thanks very much. Very Happy
I'd like to ask you, what kind of camera did you use? You got amazing results with it. From what I see, I'd guess you used a hi-res digital camera. Am I right?

BTW, did you find that North Koreans were shorter than South Koreans? Looking at your photos I feel that. Don't laugh guys! It's entirely possible because of a lack of nutrition in their diets for the past 50 years.
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plato's republic



Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Location: Ancient Greece

PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So how does one get to Pyongyang? Would be an interesting little trip.
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