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Papa Smurf



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:35 pm    Post subject: My job prospects Reply with quote

Hello everyone Smile

I've been lurking around this board for a few months now but i've finally registered.

I want to teach English in Korea next year. What i'd like to know is what sort of position i should be applying for.

Im a 24 year old English man, and I have a BSc Computing and Management Science. I also studied A Level English Language, but i only managed to get a D grade.

Having read the FAQ it seems Hagwons are my most accesible option. Is that right? If so what sort of salary, schedule and benefits should i be expecting, given that i want to teach in Seoul (my girlfiend lives there)?

I am considering going for a CELTA qualification or at the very least i'd like to do a short course to give me some idea of how to teach a class. What would be the difference in the quality of job and salary i could expect if i had a CELTA in Seoul?

I apologise if i've trodden over some old ground here.

Thanks
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Roch



Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: My job prospects Reply with quote

Papa Smurf wrote:
Hello everyone :)

I've been lurking around this board for a few months now but i've finally registered.

I want to teach English in Korea next year. What i'd like to know is what sort of position i should be applying for.

Im a 24 year old English man, and I have a BSc Computing and Management Science. I also studied A Level English Language, but i only managed to get a D grade.

Having read the FAQ it seems Hagwons are my most accesible option. Is that right? If so what sort of salary, schedule and benefits should i be expecting, given that i want to teach in Seoul (my girlfiend lives there)?

I am considering going for a CELTA qualification or at the very least i'd like to do a short course to give me some idea of how to teach a class. What would be the difference in the quality of job and salary i could expect if i had a CELTA in Seoul?

I apologise if i've trodden over some old ground here.

Thanks


Sir:

A polite man such as you should get lots of interviews and job offers.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have a Bachelor's Degree? Is there blood coursing through your veins? Yes? Congratulations! You're qualified for an English teaching job in the Republic of South Korea.

By far the easiest and most prevalent jobs available for someone with your qualifications (i.e. no experience whatsoever) is a kiddie hogwon. Post your resume on Dave's or email your friendly neighborhood recruiter and your inbox will soon be flooded with job offers. As for what conditions you can expect, read the following on what I feel you have good reason to expect and demand:

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The following is what I've always recommended as the Kiddie Hogwon Bare Minimum (TM). These are the conditions that I believe that every newbie can and should insist on before they accept a job offer at a kiddie hogwon, even if they are teaching for the first time, have a degree in basketweaving, have three nipples, and need to be flown in from Antarctica:


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2.0 million for 120 teaching hours/mo
free non-shared apartment
roundtrip airfare from and to the nearest international airport to your home, or cash equivalent
block shift (no more than 8 hours between your daily start and finish time, get that in writing)
health insurance, 50% of premium paid by you, 50% by employer
pension contributions matched by employer
Monday-Friday schedule, NO SATURDAYS
2 weeks vacation
all national holidays off (no need to make them up)
any overtime is optional, paid at the rate of 120% of your standard hourly pay (minimum required by Korean law, this works out to W20,000/hr on a 2mil, 120hrs/mo contract)



Accepting worse conditions than this really is selling yourself short, no matter who you are.

Please note that I recommend this minimum for kiddie hogwons only , adult hogwons, public schools, unis, etc. are a completely different ball of wax with different market standards.


With zero experience you should also be able to find work at and adult hogwon or a public school. Each has its ups and downs.

Adult hogwon classes are very pleasant to teach, and give you lots of opportunities to make new friends and other *ahem* social contacts through your students, but have the two nasty downsides of split shifts (early morning start, long break in the afternoon, late evening finish) and needing to pay for your own housing. Many adult hogwons pay less than kiddie hogwons, but this is not always the case, especially if you can put down some key money of your own or live in a situation that doesn't require key money (ex. boarding house). If you want to stay in Korea and move your way up to a uni job, adult hogwons are probably the best place to start IMHO.

I've never taught in the public schools myself, but they have the advantage of being more stable than private hogwons, but the major downsides of larger classes (40+ students) and a lot of "face time" (time where you aren't actually working, but have to stay in the school). Public schools may, but often don't, offer more vacation time than hogwons.
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Paddycakes



Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the OP: You have an employable degree, why come to Korea?

Job qualifications are basically just a hole and a heartbeat.
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Papa Smurf



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah the humour Laughing

Thanks for the replies.

Why do i want to go to Korea? The reasons in no particular order......I'm not ready for a career in Computing just yet. That can wait. I like Asia, I like (most) Koreans, I like the idea of living in a different culture, I like being a foreigner, I like Korean food, I have a few good Korean friends who live in Seoul that I've met whilst backpacking and i have a Korean girlfriend who is going back to Seoul soon.

I'm shooting for a February start.....is that a good time?

Cheers and beers
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hakwon peak seasons are during school vacations (Jan/Feb and late July/August)

For a hakwon job, any time is fine because they are hiring all year round, but applying a month or so before peak times would be even better.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I would suggest putting the CELTA on the back burner for now. It will not increase your pay at a hakwon. If for any reason you decide to stay in teaching, then it might help you obtain university level positions, although the MA is better in that regard.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where did you get your degree from?

Not trying to be discouraging - I am a fellow Brit myself - but darned those ignorant Koreans, they prefer the North American accent(s), which means that they sometimes discriminate against us Brits.

I am married to a Korean man, so it's easier for me to get a job (no visa run, no airfare blah blah blah are huge incentives for haggies to hire me). What has made it even easier, though, is the fact that I have a MSc in International Business from the Uni of London. My friend, whom I helped when she first set up her haggie, showed my masters degree cert to all the parents.. quite embarrassing, really.

Having said all that, I am not saying that you won't get a chance - I am more than positive that you will be able to get a job here.. just be prepared that some parents might complain about your accent, which is bloody annoying, to say the least.

Good luck!
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the new TOEFL format, however, the Brits are staging a mighty comeback. All English accents are being incorporated into the listening portion of the exam, so parents and students are now eager to get in on some non-North American action. Bout time, if you ask me.
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