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Grotto



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

possession of 'shrooms' in Canada is not illegal as long as they are not dried. You can grow them and sell them fresh...just not dried....another perfect example of Canadian justice lunacy!
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Omkara



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omkara wrote:
I have a deep respect for mushrooms, had a mystical experience on them. Tried to do it again, a few times. Each was a mistake. Whereas the former was a deeply beautiful experience, the others were dark and unnerving.

I have less respect for LSD. Though it is a mind-opener, my experiences did not feel as clean as those I had on shrooms.

Most people shouldn't play with shrooms or LSD. If they're looking to party on them, then they shouldn't be doing them. They ought to be taken very seriously.

Now, I practice raja yoga. The ulimate end is mystical; but the side-effects are not like those of controlled substances. Indeed, the side- effects are a peaceful mind and a healthy body.

I don't regret any of my "experiments." Yet, I'd not coach anyone to repeat them. Raja yoga, on the other hand, I would.

Just to follow up on the point that one should not "party" on them, I'd urge one to first practice a strict code of ethics prior to doing them. This may sound strange. But, if there are pockets of guilt, shame, regret and the like, these complexes can likely be augmented in the experience in ways that are not helpful. As in the practice of yoga, the first step is an ethical step. This code is meant, in part, to purify the mind. Also, it is in part inteded to teach one how to control the mind. If one hasn't sufficent control of the mind, the experience can be devistating.


Sorry, but Laughing and Rolling Eyes


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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't there evidence that Jesus of Nazareth did magic mushrooms?
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hermes.trismegistus



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
Mescaline, LSD and Mushrooms are very, very different trips altogether. The only people who think they are remotely the same are people who have only done them once or twice, and "lost their minds" to the drug. These are the same people who think that hash, oil and weed give the same high, or drinking whiskey and beer produce the same drunk.


Yup. No two mushrooms produce the same effect. No two cacti produce the same effect. The set/setting modify the experience, even with a static dose.

Those chocolate chip beans back in the late 80's/early 90's were pretty much pure. Pure, Shuglin-coded E doesn't have a synthetic flare.

Omkara wrote:
I have a deep respect for mushrooms, had a mystical experience on them. Tried to do it again, a few times. Each was a mistake. Whereas the former was a deeply beautiful experience, the others were dark and unnerving.

I have less respect for LSD. Though it is a mind-opener, my experiences did not feel as clean as those I had on shrooms.

Most people shouldn't play with shrooms or LSD. If they're looking to party on them, then they shouldn't be doing them. They ought to be taken very seriously.

Now, I practice raja yoga. The ulimate end is mystical; but the side-effects are not like those of controlled substances. Indeed, the side- effects are a peaceful mind and a healthy body.

I don't regret any of my "experiments." Yet, I'd not coach anyone to repeat them. Raja yoga, on the other hand, I would.

Just to follow up on the point that one should not "party" on them, I'd urge one to first practice a strict code of ethics prior to doing them. This may sound strange. But, if there are pockets of guilt, shame, regret and the like, these complexes can likely be augmented in the experience in ways that are not helpful. As in the practice of yoga, the first step is an ethical step. This code is meant, in part, to purify the mind. Also, it is in part inteded to teach one how to control the mind. If one hasn't sufficent control of the mind, the experience can be devistating.


Never underestimate the power of the set. Sacraments should not be abused. The profane lack the ability to protect the integrity of these experiences. In that regard, they must be protected from themselves.

You might try Metzner/Leary/Weil's The Psychedelic Reader: Selected from the Psychedelic Review or Leary/Metzner/Alpert/et al The Psychedelic Experience: A Manual Based on the Tibetan Book of the Dead.

Namaste.
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Omkara



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C'mon, now, Demophobe. I tell you what best I think, and you give me hell for it. Haven't you known or at least heard of those who've dabbled and not come out the same? It's the mind, not a toy.

Those who take the stuff as a part of their practice--if they're worth a damn--would not even discuss the proposition of shrooming or dosing without first 'educating' the aspirant. Nor is it a weekend program.

For some, it is correct to shroom; but, they are a minority. It requires a high level of maturity and a healthy constitution. Most people could not organize the contents of such an experience in such a way as to integrate it into the personality in a healthy and beneficial way. They lack a proper frame of reference. Moreover, what is under the surface is by far more vast than the categories of the mind can organize, for the primary categories of space and time do not apply. Hence, the entire ego identity (being a consequent of the spacio-temporal categories) can utterly dis-integrate.

But, the hell with it. Let's get loaded!
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jacl



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could drink an endless supply of beer on glid. And it's best to do a hot knife when you start feeling the effects coming on. Brings it out.
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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omkara wrote:
C'mon, now, Demophobe. I tell you what best I think, and you give me hell for it. Haven't you known or at least heard of those who've dabbled and not come out the same? It's the mind, not a toy.

Those who take the stuff as a part of their practice--if they're worth a damn--would not even discuss the proposition of shrooming or dosing without first 'educating' the aspirant. Nor is it a weekend program.

For some, it is correct to shroom; but, they are a minority. It requires a high level of maturity and a healthy constitution. Most people could not organize the contents of such an experience in such a way as to integrate it into the personality in a healthy and beneficial way. They lack a proper frame of reference. Moreover, what is under the surface is by far more vast than the categories of the mind can organize, for the primary categories of space and time do not apply. Hence, the entire ego identity (being a consequent of the spacio-temporal categories) can utterly dis-integrate.

But, the hell with it. Let's get loaded!



Give you "hell"? Hehe...thin skin there...

I had to laugh at the new-age-ish-ness to your post. I don't want to open another toipic here, but I always chuckle when I see Yanni. Wink

Look...nobody who does LSD or a good dose of Mushrooms comes out the other side unchanged.

I took my first double hit of black medallion at 16 with no "education" except for the greasy salesman's words "Hang on tight, man." It was great, despite a far-from perfect situation, both in life generally and that particular night's situation. A house party gone bad...fights, blood, cops, arrests...I was having a wild ride fighting my way out of the house and running from police.

Look...you seem like a pretty "spiritual" elitist with a doctorate in Mushrooms, Razz so if you think you need to tell someone something that ultimately cannot be told, go nuts. However, keep in mind, that for all your "advice", you may actually cause them a bad trip by giving them your baggage, or ruin their trip by influencing them into having your trip.

I have initiated a few people in my life, and the best way is not to tell them too much about it beforehand, but be there for them if things start to go bad. Just tell them it's a wild ride, but it's gonna be a blast, take them happily into the eye of the storm, make sure they have lots of good vibes around them, and kind of spectate the whole thing. Understand how they are feeling and what they may need during the trip to stay cool and enjoy it. Make sure they don't waste the trip either through a bad trip or too much insanity...be cool and help them stay cool.

Yeah...maybe some people shouldn't do mushrooms or LSD, but I have also seen people who I thought would surely lose it, come out more together than before with a greater sense of themselves. I have seen people with lots of 'experience' lose it, fall apart and really never come back together. It's a roll of the dice, for sure, but if it were such a mind melter, it surely wouldn't have gained the popularity it did.

"Hey everyone! Eat acid! Become a carrot for the rest of your life!"

That's why crack never gained as much social popularity as acid; because people were scared as it's awful reputation preceded it. Uh-oh...I think I just said something contentious...

*head down*
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SPINOZA



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite right about the crack reference, Demophobe. It's a complete cliche now. A person can experiment with crack just like one smokes a cigarette for the first time in high school or gets drunk for the first time, without becoming hooked immediately and throwing your life away. There's a bizarre stigma with crack. Example: it's common parlance to say "are you on crack?" (are you nuts?), "put the crack pipe away" (stop talking BS) when really it just gets you high as a kite for 5 minutes. There's no real distortion of reality involved.

I've done mushies only once, a month before my 16th birthday. I'd already smoked weed a lot by that time and done acid, so I was prepared. Unfortunately I took a huge dose and went completely crazy for about 8 hours, but it included a lot of smack-like bouts of sleep. That's another big difference between shrooms and acid - the latter will keep you awake all night; shrooms you can sleep off.

Hermes is right. It's all about the setting. Even if the setting is perfect, some bizarre event (and you can guarantee you'll get one if you're tripping) can set you off into an abyss of paranoia and it's difficult to get out of it until the drugs wear off (several hours). But the dose is important too. Take too many shrooms or do a very big hit of acid and you're asking for trouble in my opinion. Depends on your personality too of course. If you've already got psychotic tendancies, hallucinogens can be bad news. I've had great trips, but only relatively mild doses (one of those 60s/70s trips would've messed me up) and had some bad ones. Bad trips are bloody awful. I prefer downers generally, but I wouldn't be averse to going on a trip to Cirrus Minor again if the opportunity presents itself.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mushrooms are a great trip. I remember many years ago being with a friend who was wicked drunk. He was trying to steal a stop sign and the cops rolled by and nabbed us and through us in the drunk tank. He passed out and I sat on the bench howling with laughter all night, tears streaming down my face. You see, I hadn't touched a drop of booze. I was ripped on mushrooms. Man I thought those cops were idiots!!! Throwing me in the drunk tank and me not drunk. The memory still brings a smile to my face.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



no comment...............................
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chest rockwell



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
hermes.trismegistus wrote:
Strassman's work in DMT: The Spirit Molecule covered most of the bases too.


I remember perusing this book a few years back. Seems they inject DMT into some subjects, most (all?) of whom reported intense spiritual experiences that were similar to whatever concept of spirituality they currently held. Reading this was one the great shatterings of my previous Christian beliefs.

But... DMT is not psilocybin. They are slightly different. I think DMT is the compound that can be naturally produced in the brain, especially during ... was it.. birth and death?

Anyway, it's the one thing I've always wanted to try but haven't.


As for the OP, yeah, I'd say I've had some meaningful "spiritual" experiences on mushrooms, though I don't believe in any sort of spiritual planet or whatever. But I used to be really involved in charismatic Christian services, and some of the "filled with the Holy Spirit" experiences I had were exactly the same as some psilocybin peaks.

Q.


I would never, EVER, want to try DMT. Ive read a lot about it online (erowid.org) and by the looks of things this is not something to be messed around with unless youre absolutely sure of who you are as a person.

Some of the stories ...
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endo



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

re:cursive wrote:


no comment...............................



Oh come on now, you totally peaked my curiosity. Please explaine.
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Qinella



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've tripped a few dozen times, never once had a bad trip, never once experienced paranoia beyond the standard paranoia of being in public and having drugs in my possession (usually weed). One time during a 24-hour adventure, I was driving to Taco Bell with my friend during rush hour traffic in Tampa and came to a part of the road under major construction, so there were cops, flashing lights, orange and white stripes, detours, the whole works. Even in that situation, I kept it cool.

I've taken what some may call "heroic doses", and it's always been good. At that time, I was not what you would consider, completely sure of myself. In fact, I was in a world of confusion when sober.

All the advice people give about being in the right environment, around the right people, right music, no music, whatever.. it's not bad advice, but I've been through all different types of settings on LSD, psilocybin and ketamine, and the key element is just planting a reminder in a prominent position of your brain that pops in every few seconds and says to you, "YOU ARE ON DRUGS! STAY COOL!" And that's all.

I had some friends who got all spiritual with it. They'd go out into the woods all night and become one with nature. Had some other friends who would always party with it. Whatever's clever.

Q.

(At the Taco Bell, the booth behind us was occupied by a middle aged guy and his son. My friend had his back to them, so he couldn't see their freaked out facial expressions, hence his inability to understand why I kept whispering, "Stop saying the restaurant looks like a cartoon and the crunch of the taco vibrates through your entire body." Laughing )
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once ate a dozen donuts in one sitting on acid.

Another time, I coudln't even take more than two bites out of a subway sandwich. My friend in the same state with his sub said, "There's no pleasing us!"

I found that if you're down and out, not much money and/or sh1tty situation life-wise, that acid's the last thing that you should be taking. You just can't enjoy it as much.
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