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Neil



Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: Tokyo

PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bosses that don't speak English are Ok as long as they are aware they don't speak English....I've had a few where they would take the effort to explain things either through a translator or in the cases where their instructions are simple in Korean I can understand.

The worst ones are bosses who can't speak English but think they are super fluent and constantly give advice and instructions that are incomprehensable and one just has to guess what they wish you to do.

Rant over!
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Hapkido-In



Joined: 24 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need to be able to speak English in order to run a school that teaches English. You just need to know how to run a business.

Does the CEO of GE know how to make every one of their products that they sell? Does the head of a university know every subject inside and out that the university offers?

I know people hate to hear this, but teaching English is a business and businesses need to be very customer orientated. Unfortunetly, Korean customers, in the feild of education, seem to enjoy complaining. The fact that YOU are here being paid about 2million a month instead of some one from the Philippines that speaks English just as well as you (with a teaching degree), for 500,000/month goes to show that the owner actually does understand the business end of teaching English in Korea.

Anyways, even if the owner runs his business into the ground, what do you care? Especially if you followed his instructions.

At a hogwon, you aren't a real teacher. That's just facts. You're basically a *beep* that should do what the owner/boss tells you to do. Even if it goes 100% against constructive instruction in the classroom. Even if you don't like it. Just do it.
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sjrm



Joined: 27 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zark wrote:
When you are living overseas - communication IS often an issue. But it is up to you (or me or someone! Laughing ) to learn the local language if you want to be successful overseas.

Just playing Twisted Evil advocate here . . .


don't get me wrong. i'm not saying that nobody shouldn't try to at least learn some korean. and yes, i can speak some korean, and learning more by the month (my students can be good teachers, too Smile ). but, knowing that they'll have at least one person who speaks english, they also should at least make an effort to learn the language to at least try and communicate with you, which in any business is extremely important. show me one CEO that wouldn't agree that communications isn't very important between managers and employees.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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At a hogwon, you aren't a real teacher.


Agreed.
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hapkido-In wrote:
Does the CEO of GE know how to make every one of their products that they sell?


Well, the guy who started GE knew a thing or two about electricity.
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formerflautist



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an owner and a principal who couldn't speak English. We had to go through a supervisor if we had any problems or issues. But he had no real power so it was always a waiting game to get things resolved. That was a big frustration.
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Paddycakes



Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a semi-supervisor at the first and only hogwan I worked at who couldn't speak a word of English, and it was deliberate I believe.

It gives the school a greater sense of power (in a weird Korean way) over the FT.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main problem with lack of english is that you can't communicate properly with management about work-related issues. They don't properly understand what you're expressing and the miscommunications and confusion is frustrating.
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hapkido-In wrote:
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The fact that YOU are here being paid about 2million a month instead of some one from the Philippines that speaks English just as well as you (with a teaching degree), for 500,000/month goes to show that the owner actually does understand the business end of teaching English in Korea.


My province has hired hundreds of Philipino volunteers for English camps, after school programs and English related activities. I have worked with 7 of them. Their English is better than most Korean Teachers by a long shot, but no where close to as good as a native speaker's. English is a second language in the Philipines and is often only spoken in profesional circles.

I could provide examples of the hundreds of mistakes I have observed these 7 teachers made, but really you should just take my word for it.
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periwinkle



Joined: 08 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylies99 wrote:
If your business is selling widgets, you need to understand widgets. If your business is teaching communication skills, you'd better understand communication skills. Otherwise, your business will eventually fail and you have no one to blame but yourself.


Te he- this sounds EXACTLY like something my old economics professor said! ^^
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Te he- this sounds EXACTLY like something my old economics professor said! ^^



Thank you.
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jacl



Joined: 31 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it can be ok if the owner doesn't speak English, but if he's your boss, it's a problem if he/she doesn't. There could be multiple owners of a large/chain hagwon. Shareholders, so to speak. They don't need to be able to speak any English, but...

You can own a hagwon and let someone who speaks well enough English to run it, but, as is often the case, it's too much of a small business industry to allow it. Usually the boss is the owner or not far from it and there are more opportunities for teachers to be walked over or ignored. Ignoring the "experts" is not really good business sense. It all come down to whether it's important to them. Owners goals may hinder English education, but they also might only be in it for a quick buck.

"No, Johnny. Don't nod your fuking head. Answer with a full sentence."
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