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For those of you who've lived both in Japan and in Korea

 
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Omkara



Joined: 18 Feb 2006
Location: USA

PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:23 pm    Post subject: For those of you who've lived both in Japan and in Korea Reply with quote

My apartment in Korea was small, but sufficient. I'm thinking about Japan. How are the apartments there generally? Are they smaller? Furnished? With a washer? Dryer?
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Dev



Joined: 18 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apartments in Japan are generally expensive and unfurnished. Sizewise, a bit smaller than Korean - especially the bathroom and kitchen (if your lucky to have a kitchen. Most often your kitchen is a one burner stove and small sink in the hall). Most Japanese apartments are so small that you think you're living in a trailer.

The ESL schools there generally don't provide apartments, but most will hook you up with a guest house where you can rent a room with other foreigners.

If you do want a little freedom and want your own apartment, get ready to shell out big money on deposits. You'll have to shell out 4 months rent ($750 USD average X 4) before you even move in. That's first and last month's rent plus one month's damage deposit plus one month's rent which is a service charge levied by the realtor.

Working in Japan is an expensive affair. If you want to work there, you should shop around for a good employer who can help you with housing.
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rocklee



Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:55 am    Post subject: Re: For those of you who've lived both in Japan and in Korea Reply with quote

Omkara wrote:
My apartment in Korea was small, but sufficient. I'm thinking about Japan. How are the apartments there generally? Are they smaller? Furnished? With a washer? Dryer?


I've lived in all kinds of places when I was in Japan, sometimes I don't know how I pulled it off.

Like Dev said, you would have to fork out a few months deposit (key money) before you can even move into the place and quite often non-refundable. But before that, you will need a guarantor or someone local to confirm that you're accounted for.

Everybody pays Reikin to the home/apartment owner, which is unavoidable and unrefundable. Then you need to pay the agents for a "security deposit" as well as for their services. Upon moving out, you may get the security deposit back but quite often some people don't. Reasons ranges from poor maintenance to replacements of the tatami mats (of which a lot of traditional apartments have). Renting in Japan is an expensive affair.

Most apartment are not furnished, so be prepared to fork out even more money just to buy a futon/bed, some tables, kitchen stuff etc.

There is a company that does offer officetel-like apartment around Tokyo :

http://www.eg.leopalace21.com/

NO GUARANTOR
NO DEPOSIT, KEY MONEY
FURNISHED AND FACILITATED
MINIMUM RENTING DURATION OF 2 WEEKS
NO CHARGES FOR UTILITIES

Again, depending on the size and facilities available in the apartment, you may pay anywhere from 40,000 to 100,000++ yen per month, and that includes utilities.

I didn't get a place at leopalace but I was pretty lucky to have found a shack that had a microwave, bed, tv, video and stereo and I was paying around 50,000 yen per month for everything including utilities.
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Omkara



Joined: 18 Feb 2006
Location: USA

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice, all. D'ya think it's really worth the hassle to move to Japan and deal with all the expenses of moving there?
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omkara wrote:
Thanks for the advice, all. D'ya think it's really worth the hassle to move to Japan and deal with all the expenses of moving there?


One year here and two there (and one in China). I think about that everyday, but I am resigning here, so I guess not for me Smile
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rocklee



Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm....for a total newbie, it is not worth it. A lot of people already established in Japan will tell you to bring at least $2000 USD to prepare yourself for the first month and a bit (while waiting for your initial pay check).

There are several guesthouses around the city where you pay 40,000 per month. Those would be the best option for newbies until they have enough money to invest in a proper apartment.
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braunshade



Joined: 19 Apr 2006
Location: Somewhere better!

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The quality of life is much higher in Japan.

Most people do not mind not being able to save as much in Japan as you can in Korea.

Its more exciting and interesting.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

braunshade wrote:


Its more exciting and interesting.


It depends where you live. A big city in Japan would be interesting. A country town would be boring as hell. I know. I spent 4 months in a medium sized Japanese city before getting cheesed off and running back to Seoul in search of some fun!!!
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Satori



Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was in Korea for 5 years and now Japan for 1 year. Japan is definitely more culturally advanced about foriegners, and more technologically advaced too. Way way way more polite in public, and way way way better drivers. It's more peaceful, calm, sane, and feels more normal and more comfortable to live in. I wouldn't say it's more exciting and interesting though.
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whatthefunk



Joined: 21 Apr 2003
Location: Dont have a clue

PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i moved from korea to japan three years ago and it cost me over $3000 US to do so. it was well worth it though...had a great time. your apartment will be small, very small. it will come with nothing (unless the previous guy died in it.) you will eat instant noodles and not go out anywhere for two months because even the thought of leaving your apartment will cost you more money than you have. you will sleep on the floor with an ultra thin hundred yen shop blanket until you can afford a futon and a better blanket. you will spend your weekends riding around the block on a stolen bicycle until you can afford to go outside the perimeters of your neighborhood. you will consider hanging yourself from the light fixture. but then you will get paid and everything will be okay. you will spend all of your money drinking. you will use the airconditioner excessively and eat out everynight. you will meet a japanese girl and then you wont have to buy a new blanket, but she wont settle for sleeping on the floor so you will have to do something about that. then, you will meet another japanese girl and you will once again consider hanging yourself from the light fixture. circles, my friend. cricles.
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