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blaseblasphemener

Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:04 am Post subject:

OiGirl wrote:

blaseblasphemener wrote:

OiGirl wrote:

It's a swastika whichever direction it goes in; certain designs connotate Nazism or Buddhism or First American practices.

Please explain girl with an enormous cucumber: How did a symbol from ancient India (or that area) get claimed by "First Americans". Side note: America Vespucci came after the "First Americans", so why are they called "First Americans"? Shouldn't they be called something like, oh, "First before Americans"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Native_American_traditions wrote:

The ubiquity of the swastika symbol is easily explained by it being a very simple symbol that will arise independently in any basketweaving society.

You can call them "Native Americans" or "First Nations" or "American Indians," but my personal choice is "First Americans."

Just curious: Are you of First American ancestry? I've never heard the term used before. Seems like over-kill. Why do we have to keep changing the names. I prefer FBI. (Full blooded Indian). My "First Nations/Canadian Indian/First American" friend called himself that. How about First Peoples? How about Bison People? Or, never had a drink of alcohol before the whitey's came in peoples?

OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:19 am Post subject:

I took a course on the topic and one requirement was that we had to decide, ideologically, how we were going to refer to the subject at hand. It's not that uncommon (just Googled it myself,) but it is different enough to make you think about it.

blaseblasphemener

Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:30 am Post subject:

OiGirl wrote:

I took a course on the topic and one requirement was that we had to decide, ideologically, how we were going to refer to the subject at hand. It's not that uncommon (just Googled it myself,) but it is different enough to make you think about it.

I wonder though, why it should include "America"? First, Canadian Natives are not American, and Canada was discovered by John Cabot, not America. Based on the genocidle history, it seems insulting to refer to them with that name. At least in Canada there was not a systematic attempt at genocide. They were just put on reserves and treated like less than human. How about pre-americanadians?

crystal

Joined: 04 May 2006

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:35 am Post subject:

Newbie wrote:

blaseblasphemener wrote:

Tip:

When you arrive, you will soon start to notice a large number of swastikas everywhere. You may believe that the third Reich has taken refuge in Seoul, but don't be alarmed. It is in fact a Buddhist symbol, dating back thousands of years, and is the swastika inverted or something. Just know that Koreans don't mean anything by it, although it took me a long time to get used to it.

Ya know, I hate the usual "I'm so well educated" arrogane you get on this board, but I'm absolutely AMAZED when westerners see the Buddhist symbol here and think "what's up with the swastikas". I thought it was pretty much common knowledge that Hitler ripped off the symbol.

While I knew that the symbol had been taken from elsewhere, i didn't know the origin. When I first got here I didn't know that it was actually a Buddhist symbol and was surprised to see it everywhere and even more surprised to see a kid wearing it on a chain. I gathered that it obviously wasn't related to Nazism but had to ask a coworker what the meaning was.

JAWINSEOUL

Joined: 19 Nov 2005

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:19 pm Post subject:

The OP was just looking for a contact, out breaks a religous debate.

blaseblasphemener

Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:22 pm Post subject:

JAWINSEOUL wrote:

The OP was just looking for a contact, out breaks a religous debate.

that's the nature of the beast. the nature of the message board beast, that is, Scottish janitor dude. Cool

igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:48 am Post subject:

Newbie wrote:

I thought it was pretty much common knowledge that Hitler ripped off the symbol.

I wore a SWASTIKA earring back to Canada a few years ago & this Jewish chick i was sitting with sharing lunch spied it & almost choked on her sandwich.

I tried explaining the history of the symbol, that it had ZERO to do with "hating" anyone. Quite the opposite actually, Hitler's philosophy & that of the Buddha's.

Seemed like she didn't at all want to listen to what i was telling her.

Amazing ignorance & prejudice Idea

diablo3

Joined: 11 Sep 2004

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:19 am Post subject:

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Well, I was also confused about the sign of buddhism, thinking the SS has a presence here or something. But the sign of buddhism uses 2 'ㄹ' characters, or backward S characters.

Homer
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:56 am Post subject:

Well then its not a swastika is it? The term swastika was applied to the Nazi symbol...not the budhist sign or First American sign as it predates the Nazi use of the inverted cross....

igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 3:16 am Post subject:

Homer wrote:

Well then its not a swastika is it?

The term swastika was applied to the Nazi symbol...not the budhist sign or First American sign as it predates the Nazi use of the inverted cross....

There are MANY types of SWASTIKAS.

The word itself comes from the Sanskrit "Svavistika" meaning "HE IS WELL".

It's an ancient Aryan good-luck symbol.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=swastika+history

Homer
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:52 am Post subject:

I stand corrected....! Thanks guitar...I did not know that.

OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:07 am Post subject:

blaseblasphemener wrote:

I wonder though, why it should include "America"?

To imply and include the North and South American continents.

blaseblasphemener

Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:19 am Post subject:

OiGirl wrote:

blaseblasphemener wrote:

I wonder though, why it should include "America"?

To imply and include the North and South American continents.

Well, I got that, but my point still is that they were there before America, so in the interest of being PC, the name should not include America. Seems like kind of a slap in the face to me. "Let's call ourselves the name of the guy that caused events that eventually let to our near genocide, the destruction of our culture and way of life."

Sort of like Blacks carrying the names of slave owners. Sorry, "African-American". I'm "European-Canadian" by the way.

mount real

Joined: 07 Apr 2005

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:02 am Post subject:

[quote="blaseblasphemener"]

OiGirl wrote:

blaseblasphemener wrote:

I wonder though, why it should include "America"?

"Let's call ourselves the name of the guy that caused events that eventually let to our near genocide, the destruction of our culture and way of life."

History is written by the conqueror, not the conquered. They had no say in being called that, or their lands being taken away, their culture exterminated then marketed as souvenir trinkets to be bought in airports.
I wonder why we don't learn as much about that genocide in school as opposed to others.....

blaseblasphemener

Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:33 pm Post subject:

[quote="mount real"]

blaseblasphemener wrote:

OiGirl wrote:

blaseblasphemener wrote:

I wonder though, why it should include "America"?

"Let's call ourselves the name of the guy that caused events that eventually let to our near genocide, the destruction of our culture and way of life."

Well, first, I ask the question about "Native-Americans" because it is a PC name, changed from the original "Indians". Apparently that name didn't properly reflect them since it was coined due to Columbus thinking/hoping he had landed in India. But I find it ironic that they would give these people a PC name that has the name of America in it. As far as genocide, in Canada it was never a systematic genoncide, in fact in reality not a genocide at all, as the government made land deals with incentives to have the natives peacefully cooperate. That is why today there is a continual legal battle going on for land by natives.

In the States, a systematic genocide of sorts was carried out. The reason why most American students don't hear about it? Because THE MAN is good at pushy the mythology of freedom, liberty, blah, blah, blah, while conveniently leaving out the sordid details of genocide, slavery, Jim Crow laws, the Irish, melting pot=assimilate you poor immigrant bastards. But damn, I've always said, American history makers sure know how to tell a good story.

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