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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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 Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:19 am Post subject: Al-Qaida Demands Spain Yes or No? Say It Is Not So. |
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A few on this board said that Al Qaeda doesn't fight for the Caliphate. Well are we going to hear any apologies? Hey Justin Raimondo?
Zawahri tells Muslims to join Mideast conflict
Al-Qaida No. 2 says 'the world is a battlefield' in taped message
The Associated Press
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Updated: 7:57 a.m. ET July 27, 2006
CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Qaida's No. 2 leader issued a worldwide call Thursday for Muslims to rise up in a holy war against Israel and join the fighting in Lebanon and Gaza until Islam reigns from "Spain to Iraq."
In a taped message broadcast by Al-Jazeera television, Ayman al-Zawahri said the terrorist organization would not stand idly by while "these (Israeli) shells burn our brothers.
"All the world is a battlefield open in front of us," said the Egyptian-born al-Zawahri, second-in-command to Osama bin Laden.
"The war with Israel does not depend on cease-fires ... . It is a Jihad for the sake of God and will last until (our) religion prevails ... from Spain to Iraq," al-Zawahri said. "We will attack everywhere." Spain was controlled by Arab Muslims until they were driven from the country at the turn of the 16th century.
Al-Zawahri declared that Arab regimes were complicit in Israeli fighting against Hezbollah and the Palestinians.
"My fellow Muslims, it is obvious that Arab and Islamic governments are not only impotent but also complicit...and you are alone on the battlefield. Rely on God and fight your enemies...make yourselves martyrs."
Al-Zawahri wore a gray robe and white turban. A picture of the burning World Trade Center was on the wall behind him along with photos of two other militants. One appeared to be a bearded Mohammed Atta, the Egyptian ringleader of the Sept. 11 attacks. The other was Mohammed Atef, also known as Abu Hafs al-Masri, a former top lieutenant of bin Laden who was killed in a U.S. airstrike in Afghanistan in November 2001.
Al-Qaida broadcasts are thought to contain coded messages to members. Three of images on the screen - that of al-Zawahri and the pictures of al-Masri and what was believed to be Atta - were Egyptian.
Zawahri: 'We cannot just watch'
The Arab satellite broadcaster did not transmit the entire tape, using instead selected quotes interspersed with commentary from an anchor.
"The shells and rockets ripping apart Muslim bodies in Gaza and Lebanon are not only Israeli (weapons), but are supplied by all the countries of the crusader coalition. Therefore, every participant in the crime will pay the price," al-Zawahri said.
The message was al-Zawahri's tenth this year. Bin Laden has issued five messages in a particularly active year of messages from the top al-Qaida leadership.
"We cannot just watch these shells as they burn our brothers in Gaza and Lebanon and stand by idly, humiliated," al-Zawahri said.
Al-Zawahri last appeared in a video posted on an Islamic Web site on the one-year anniversary of the train bombings in London. In the July 7 tape, he said two of the four suicide bombers in London spent time in an al-Qaida training camp, preparing themselves for a suicide mission.
Top al-Qaida leaders paid tribute in June to the slain leader of their Iraq network, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, in separate video recordings. Many of their messages this year have dealt with current events in Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia.
Bin Laden tape expected
Another new audio or video message from bin Laden was also expected in the coming days and was planned to deal with Gaza and Lebanon, according to said IntelCenter, a U.S.-based independent group that provides counterterrorism information to the U.S. government and media.
Al-Qaida's media production wing, Al-Sahab, announced the al-Zawahri tape would be ready soon in a message Thursday on and Islamic Web site.
Al-Zawahri said Muslims everywhere must rise up to attack "crusaders and Zionists... and support jihad (holy war) everywhere...until American troops are chased from Afghanistan and Iraq, paralyzed and impotent...having paid the price for aggression against Muslims and support for Israel."
Israel began an offensive on Gaza days after Palestinian militants captured an Israeli soldier on June 25. It opened a second front in Lebanon after Hezbollah guerillas abducted two Israeli soldiers on July 12.
Since fighting began between Israel and Hezbollah, at least 424 people have been killed in Lebanon, according to figures compiled from the Health Ministry, military and Hezbollah. Fifty-one Israelis have been killed, including 33 members of the military, according to Israeli authorities.
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bigverne
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| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| It is a Jihad for the sake of God and will last until (our) religion prevails |
But isn't Jihad merely an 'inner spiritual struggle'? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| I wonder what Spains' reaction to this is? |
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safeblad
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Yes its amazing to think that Islam reigned in spain until 1492. Its not completely beyond the realms of possibility that Columbus, or some other geezer, could have set sail to the new world in the name of Islam.
These were also enlightened people, who made some great advances in science and the arts. Ironically removed by the worst kind of savage fundamentalist christians, further salt in the wounds to islamist hardliners. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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"enlightened people"?
"savage fundamentalist christians"?
I see the Islamic PR machine is having the desired effect. |
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safeblad
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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i said it i meant it. besides you should know that all the cool kids are muslim loving these days.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| safeblad wrote: |
Yes its amazing to think that Islam reigned in spain until 1492. Its not completely beyond the realms of possibility that Columbus, or some other geezer, could have set sail to the new world in the name of Islam.
These were also enlightened people, who made some great advances in science and the arts. Ironically removed by the worst kind of savage fundamentalist christians, further salt in the wounds to islamist hardliners. |
I agree with you. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Doesn't disprove:
1. Their achievements
2. the brilliance of the Alhambra and other Islamic sites in Spain.
After reading that, I'd venture the Islamic rulers were just like their Christian peers, except slightly more hygenic. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
Doesn't disprove:
1. Their achievements
2. the brilliance of the Alhambra and other Islamic sites in Spain.
After reading that, I'd venture the Islamic rulers were just like their Christian peers, except slightly more hygenic. |
Their Christian peers were perhaps a little more barbaric at the time. When the Arabs were ascedent, they were embracing the wisdom of the Kaffirs. They studied and held in high regard the Greeks, the Indians, the Chalcedonians, etc, etc...
Now?
Well, let's just say the Renaissance, which challenged many Christian assumptions, applied almost entirely to Europe.
But, from what I've read, BB is right, the Muslims are super-hygenic. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Toledo, which had first submitted to the Arabs in 711 or 712, revolted in 713. The town was punished by pillage and all the notables had their throats cut. In 730, the Cerdagne (in Septimania, near Barcelona) was ravaged and a bishop burned alive. In the regions under stable Islamic control, Jews and Christians were tolerated as dhimmis - like elsewhere in other Islamic lands - and could not build new churches or synagogues nor restore the old ones. Segregated in special quarters, they had to wear discriminatory clothing. Subjected to heavy taxes, the Christian peasantry formed a servile class attached to the Arab domains; many abandoned their land and fled to the towns. Harsh reprisals with mutilations and crucifixions* would sanction the Mozarab (Christian dhimmis) calls for help from the Christian kings. Moreover, if one dhimmi harmed a Muslim, the whole community would lose its status of protection, leaving it open to pillage, enslavement and arbitrary killing.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/001665.php
Sounds pretty enlightened to me. By the way, such discriminatory behaviour is a central tenet of Shariah Law, which most Islamic movements (not just Al Qaeda, Joo!) would like to see enacted. The sooner the West understands that it is fighting the forces of orthodox Islam, both militarily, politically and culturally, and not the bogeymen of Al Qaeda, who have 'hijacked' (they have not) Islam, we may actually stand a chance of winning this struggle. |
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safeblad
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:28 am Post subject: |
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http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/001665.php
Well If this guy says its true...
it must be true! ... he does have an MA in religious education !!
I think its wrong to apply a modern humanitarian perspective to events that occurred in the 8th century when the simple peasantry of europe were spending most of their days working for the Lord of the Manor and rubbing themselves in their own shit.
What about Christian violence in the Crusades? |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| Well If this guy says its true... |
All the incidents referred to are well documented. I highlighted the article to refute your simplistic garbage about 'enlightened' Muslims and 'savage' Christians.
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| What about Christian violence in the Crusades? |
What about it? I think everyone acknowledges that there were many atrocities carried out by the Crusaders. What most people do not acknowledge, and what idiots like yourself are probably ignorant of, is that the Crusades were a reaction to the Muslim invasion of the Holy Land.
However, the key thing to keep in mind is that while most Christian churches have criticised and even apologised for the Crusades, and the past injustices committed by the Church, the main schools of Islam have not repudiated Shariah Law or the dhimma (which was the legal system in place in the 'tolerant' Andalusia), and would gladly establish such religious apartheid if they got the chance. |
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safeblad
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:37 am Post subject: |
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What most people do not acknowledge, and what idiots like yourself are probably ignorant of, is that the Crusades were a reaction to the Muslim invasion of the Holy Land.
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 Whats this? Crusades a reaction to Muslim invasion of Holy Land? Whaaaa??
Cheers for the education Bigverne. Your so clever you must have an MA in religious education as well!
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| bigverne, come on now. your crusades line is a joke. give me a break. if you're going to be cynical about muslims, don't go to the opposite end of the spectrum for medivial christians. |
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